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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#122351: Oct 31st 2020 at 2:34:39 PM

Both Blade and Moon Knight are recurring members of the Midnight Sons (a.k.a the Avengers, but in anti-heroic, dark urban fantasy, basically marvel's Justice League Dark). The concept that Marvel would try to make The Avengers gambit (smaller properties that collide in a big crosover one) with the Midnight Sons is one that has been speculated about, hence the thought of Blade and MK crossing over.

I personally would love to see it. Throw in Ghost Rider and maybe Man-Thing and we got a party.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 31st 2020 at 2:35:09 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122352: Oct 31st 2020 at 2:50:56 PM

What do you suppose will be the definition of "The Avengers" going forward?

Like, once Endgame has Captain America refer to everyone fighting Thanos as "Avengers" (even nameless sorcerers or Wakandan soldiers). So will future movies still refer to the Avengers as being a distinct group of heroes with their own headquarters and public identity? Or will "Avenger" be a label applied to any superhero from now on (at least while teaming up with another hero)? Or will they retire the Avengers brand now that it's been diluted among so many characters, with all subsequent teamups having different names to distinguish one grouping of characters from another (since I doubt we're going to get another "everyone is in this" flick for quite a while, if ever)?

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122353: Oct 31st 2020 at 2:57:08 PM

With most of the original Avengers dead or retired or acting off planet, and the X-Men being outcasts by definition, I could see the Fantastic Four being set as the new public 'face' of superheroes.

Ideally, Reed should be the 'next, bug bigger' Tony in terms of being the major thinker and spokesman of the superhero community, let's just hope he's less of a screwup at that job.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#122354: Oct 31st 2020 at 2:57:17 PM

[up][up][up]Moon Knight has never been a member of the Midnight Sons. The only time they more or less team-up was during the Damnation crossover, but the team forms and disbands during this storyline.

I find it funny that this isn't at all the first time I see MK being mentioned as being a "recurring member of the MS". He just fits so well into the team, he mist have been a member from a long time, right? He just radiates that MS vibe.

Edited by Akirakan on Oct 31st 2020 at 4:58:06 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#122355: Oct 31st 2020 at 2:57:49 PM

I assume the army fighting Thanos were all temporary members. The core "Avengers" concept will remain the same small group of 6-12 people.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122356: Oct 31st 2020 at 3:04:36 PM

Avengers Unlimited.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#122357: Oct 31st 2020 at 3:07:58 PM

[up][up][up] Huh. I seem to remember Moon Knight being more reocurring in the MS. I remembered in the Damnation crossover Wong referring to Moon Knight as a recurring member of the MS. I think I got my wires crossed with the "Marvel Knights".

In either case he fits like a glove, throw him there.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 31st 2020 at 3:08:09 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122358: Oct 31st 2020 at 3:28:59 PM

I assume the army fighting Thanos were all temporary members. The core "Avengers" concept will remain the same small group of 6-12 people.

So if, hypothetically, they did a film that teamed up Captain Marvel, Doctor Strange, Valkyrie, and whoever the new Black Panther ends up being, would that be an Avengers movie or something else entirely?

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122359: Oct 31st 2020 at 4:37:03 PM

I mean, at that point I think you're arguing semantics; in-universe the Avengers probably haven't been a "thing" since Civil War (at least I don't think the term is in the movies, could be in supplemental material). If they want market [up] as the Next Big Event then yeah, that would probably be the next Avengers movie.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122360: Oct 31st 2020 at 4:50:38 PM

Or will they retire the Avengers brand now that it's been diluted among so many characters, with all subsequent teamups having different names to distinguish one grouping of characters from another (since I doubt we're going to get another "everyone is in this" flick for quite a while, if ever)?

A high number of the confirmed new Phase 4 (and beyond) characters are Avengers related. Shang-Chi, Blade, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, Echo, Monica Rambeau (assuming she gets powers by the end of WandaVision and even Sersi and Black Knight from Eternals have all been Avengers at one time or another.

There's also still the remaining characters they have hanging around like Sam as Captain America, Scarlet Witch (and presumably Vision), Ant-Man and so on. I could very easily see Marvel doing a New Avengers movie involving some mixture of those characters (obviously not everybody). Especially if Kang is treated as a recurring villain and doesn't just appear in Ant-Man 3.

Alternatively we could see them break down the characters into smaller teams like Secret Avengers (of which Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Winter Soldier, Valkyrie and War Machine have all been involved) and Young Avengers.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 31st 2020 at 4:51:47 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#122361: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:11:21 PM

That said, Hulk's Healing Factor in the comics blows both Logan's and Wade's out of the water.

Ine example being Maestro recovering from being atomized.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122362: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:44:56 PM

WHAT

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#122363: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:49:22 PM

tis but a flesh wound!

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122364: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:55:11 PM

I mean, simply by transforming, Bruce somehow generates enough extra physical matter out of nowhere to become a man four times bigger than him.

Compared to that, his healing factor is not so unbelievable.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122365: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:58:19 PM

What do you suppose will be the definition of "The Avengers" going forward?

I like the New Avengers approach to the Avengers concept where - after the famed, larger than life team retires or moves or what have you, the symbol of the Avengers is taken up mostly by everymen and "regular people with powers" types who banded together to fight the good fight.

But I could also see them going the opposite direction, into Avengers Academy / Avengers Arena territory: with the Avengers becoming, like, an official organization interested in fostering and training new superpowered beings (including if not maybe especially kids, if we get more Young Avengers stuff) into heroes.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2020 at 6:01:43 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#122366: Oct 31st 2020 at 5:59:51 PM

[up][up]Well, you see, there's a very simple, albeit bullshit, scientific explanation for that.

I dunno, maybe Bruce's body is still filled with the churning gamma radiation of the gamma bomb, and the Hulk transformation turns all of that gamma energy into matter.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 31st 2020 at 6:00:09 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#122367: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:02:18 PM

[up][up] Can we leave Arena out of it? That was just an edgy trainwreck.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122368: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:07:31 PM

I too will just take the Academy.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#122369: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:12:20 PM

[up]×2

How edgy it was seems to be exaggerated, few characters actually died.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#122370: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:22:23 PM

There are no Avengers. All the teams are officially disbanded; Classic, New, Secret. Everyone's flying solo. Of course, I'm sure they can whip up a new team whenever the next movie has to come out.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122371: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:24:00 PM

So I guess we're getting the Ultimates next.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122372: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:24:47 PM

Theeeeee Ewing version?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#122373: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:29:58 PM

I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Falcon And Winter Soldier has John Walker say "You think this symbol on my forehead stands for France?!"

Edited by Beatman1 on Oct 31st 2020 at 9:31:45 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122374: Oct 31st 2020 at 6:37:08 PM

I'd like it if they ever found a way to tell a story about the false fifties 'Commie smasher' Captain America, while we are on the subject of Cap impostors.

Maybe in the What If? series? What happened to that anyway? I thought it was due this year?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122375: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:05:41 PM

All roads lead to the Great Lakes Avengers.


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