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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#122326: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:44:25 AM

Sex sells,as they say.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122327: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:07:46 AM

Is it really that weird? We allow stuff like Tarantino's foot fetish.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Oct 31st 2020 at 1:07:57 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122328: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:11:23 AM

It's kind of different in movies though. Especially when Tarantino self-inserts himself into a movie just so he can suck Salma Hayek's toes.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122329: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:13:26 AM

Is it true that the guy who created Wonder Woman had a bondage fetish, and put a lot of that into her characteristics?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122330: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:15:11 AM

Yep, William Marston was both into BDSM and poly relationships.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122331: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:20:18 AM

I'll say that Claremont's blatant fetishes still aren't bad as the ones you see in Classic Golden Age Sci-Fi tm

Those guys really love the idea of mind control sex.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#122332: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:25:51 AM

Wonder Woman originally had a Kryptonite-level weakness to being tied up. If she was bound by rope and unable to move, she lost all of her powers. This happened a lot.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122333: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:28:27 AM

And nothing of value was lost when they got rid of it.

To get back on topic: I'm not sure if the X-movies should go the fantasy route much. Or at all really. Yes I know it's a shared universe but you also want to make the movies feel distinct from each other. The plot of X of Sword, just to use an example, might make sense for Dr Strange or Thor, but just doesn't jive with the main themes of X-Men.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122334: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:31:14 AM

The X-Men are practically their own superhero universe. And going all the time with the whole discrimination thing can get really dull. Going the fantasy or alien routes lets them just have their own wild adventures.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 31st 2020 at 2:32:10 PM

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#122335: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:32:50 AM

I mean it kinda works since the citizens of marvel are ungrateful assholes to the extreme but the mcu isn't quite like that so in not sure how it would be handled.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122336: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:33:16 AM

Well you don't have to do the discrimination route. For example, there's the X-Factor books which focus on either government agencies or detective stories and stuff with the Weapon X programs.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122337: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:36:24 AM

I used to have an issue with how little ground the X-men have gained with the discrimination route, but reality has reminded me that I'm horrifically naive and that maybe the comics have been too tame on that matter.

Their current direction in the comics is something new, even if it required them to 100% give up on protecting both humanity and mutants, because the narrative has demanded that protecting humans be a complete waste of time and their lives again and again.

I'm curious as to how the MCU will play things though.

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#122338: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:41:22 AM

The comics aren’t nuanced enough if anything

Discrimination in marvel is always giant killer robots and angry murder mobs

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122339: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:45:48 AM

Oh yeah. That's it.

It's so....one dimensional.

Then again....maybe real life isn't so different either.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122340: Oct 31st 2020 at 10:46:03 AM

Yeah hopefully the movies are a lot better about that.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122341: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:01:11 AM

Something that I think would work well is to have fewer characters who want to get rid of mutants and more who want to exploit mutants, to treat them and their powers as commodities to be used and sold for their own benefit. It'd distinguish them from what the Fox-Men were doing, and would honestly allow a lot more variety. The constant anti-mutant vs. human/mutant co-existence vs. mutant supremacist stuff got old, but there's an almost endless variety of ways that unscrupulous people could use mutants to further their supervillain schemes.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122342: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:01:14 AM

I really wonder how grounded to reality the following Marvel movies will be. We are far from the Phase 1 and the techno-thriller feel of the first Iron Man movies or the war/spy movie feel of the first Captain America ones. The latest movies all had very fantastical or nonsensical elements (be they aliens invasions, giant ants, or drones masquerading as giant elementals) and I'm not sure how easy it will be for the next movies to go back to stories about kids getting bullied because they can shoot lasers out of their eyes.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122343: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:04:16 AM

Black Widow seems like the one that'd be the most grounded of the upcoming stuff...Ms. Marvel as well if they stick to the tone of the comic series (IE, focusing on local heroics with occasional tema-ups rather than Save the World plots the Avengers usually deal with). Shang-Chi might as well, but with the Mandarin as the villain and rumors of Fin Fang Foom being involved, it sounds like there's a good chance the movie at least delves into alien stuff.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122344: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:12:15 AM

I do wonder how much of the Black Widow movie plot will draw from when the movie was supposed to be part of Phase 1 or 2.

Ms Marvel is something I'm looking really forward to, however in any case, if they follow the comic, it will at some point involve Carol, aka one of the most powerful characters alive in the current MCU.

Edited by C105 on Oct 31st 2020 at 7:12:40 PM

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122345: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:23:10 AM

I feel like Blade will be relatively grounded as well, or at least as grounded as a gory vampire movie can be.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122346: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:39:14 AM

Hey, if Blade was showing up in Moon Knight, we would get hints about that, right? Or is it still too early to say for sure?

The pandemic and the radio silence has me itching for some kind of update...

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122347: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:45:45 AM

I'm not sure why Blade show up in Moon Knight.

Unless he fills the role Werewolf By Night does in the comics.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#122348: Oct 31st 2020 at 11:46:05 AM

The last thing we know about Moon Knight is that we know who the lead will be. Anything beyond that hasn't exactly been concrete.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122349: Oct 31st 2020 at 12:29:48 PM

It's Marvel. There are things that leak out in advance but there are plenty of things they managed to keep under wraps for quite a long time (I don't think Isaac was on anyone's radar for MK casting). So no, we would not necessarily know by now if Blade is appearing in Moon Knight if he were.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 31st 2020 at 12:32:54 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#122350: Oct 31st 2020 at 12:46:27 PM

Moon Knight is a character who tends to be part of the supernatural side of Marvel. They've hardly teamed-up in comics, but they're generally considered as being part of the "supernatural family", especially in recent times.

Ad to that the rumor from a few months ago that apparently Dracula was going to appear in MK. Could there be a easter egg or mention to Blade in MK? Maybe?

Funnily enough, MK was originally going to make his first live-action appearance in Blade: The Series, him being a "werewolf expert", but the show was cancelled before it.


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