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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122301: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:38:23 AM

[up][up] He'd probably need a wheelchair made of adamantium.

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#122302: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:39:35 AM

And actual car wheels to support his muscly girth.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122303: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:40:03 AM

He doesn't actually need a wheelchair anymore. The power of the Juggernaut healed his spine as a bonus.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122304: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:43:03 AM

Say, are there any superheroes or supervillains (Marvel or otherwise) who have the power of superstrength, but still need to use a wheelchair? (As a permanent state of affairs; not some temporary crippling before the status quo resets.)

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#122305: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:43:24 AM

[up][up]Aw, but that's not nearly as funny of a mental image. I want to picture ripped Charles Xavier barreling towards you at top speed, smashing through walls while furiously wheeling his wheelchair with his buff-ass arms.

[up]I actually have one for a superhero horror game I'm working on.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 31st 2020 at 7:44:28 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122306: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:45:08 AM

[up][up]Nope. Either the same superhuman status that makes them stronger also comes with a Healing Factor, or being infused with super powers heals their spines.

I'm reminded of Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer who did spend some time in a wheelchair, but recovered soon enough.

[up]You gotta remember that being Juggie also comes with an insanely powerful Healing Factor. Cain once healed back from being reduced to a skeleton by hellfire.

Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2020 at 10:47:22 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122307: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:53:25 AM

And I thought Wolverine's healing factor was ridiculous.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122308: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:55:04 AM

Wolverine's healing factor has always been pretty moderate in comparison to others, honestly.

Certain writers often just go a little overboard with it.

There was also the time were he had no Adamantium, where there was an actual in-universe reason for it being much more powerful than usual.

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#122309: Oct 31st 2020 at 7:58:39 AM

I mean compared to say Deadpool's it's pretty tame.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122310: Oct 31st 2020 at 8:04:50 AM

Deadpool's Healing Factor is actually so powerful that it would kill him if he didn't also have cancer constantly harming him to offset it.

That's why in the comics, Norman Osborne's plan to kill Deadpool is to cure his cancer.

That said, Hulk's Healing Factor in the comics blows both Logan's and Wade's out of the water.

Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2020 at 11:06:33 PM

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122311: Oct 31st 2020 at 8:08:25 AM

How would his healing factor kill him?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122312: Oct 31st 2020 at 8:18:23 AM

It essentially goes completely out of control, culminating in a messy explosion.

Makes sense when you remember that Deadpool's Healing Factor is an artificial one that's basically a knockoff of Logan's.

Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2020 at 11:19:13 PM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#122313: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:04:50 AM

I remember reading a comic where Wolverine healed up after receiving a missile point-blank (don't remember if it was a nuke or a standard one ). He was reduced as little more than a skeleton (adamantium-coated, but still) after that, but he was up and about in a few panels.

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#122314: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:06:19 AM

Logan's Healing Factor is very much Depending on the Writer.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#122315: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:06:33 AM

That was probably during Civil War, where Nitro exploded in his face.

And yeah, that was the most infamous example of a writer turning his Healing Factor Up To Eleven.

I think it was so extreme that they later retconned it into him being jacked up by a supernatural force or something like that.

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#122316: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:09:33 AM

Was that the thing where he duels the angel of death (who he met while fighting Nazis in World War I??) every time he needs to come back from the dead?

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#122317: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:11:28 AM

Its an Archangel apparently

Comic books Xmen have a lot of biblical references ,including trips to Limbo,The Hellfire club a mutant called Angel..you get the picture

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#122318: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:22:14 AM

X-Men is 80% references by volume. You can really tell what media Chris Claremont was into at any given time.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122319: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:24:32 AM

You could also tell that Chris Claremont really liked the character Storm.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122320: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:33:30 AM

Well, Storm is awesome.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122321: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:33:31 AM

He also really liked mind control stories.

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#122322: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:35:16 AM

You can also really tell what Chris Claremont's kinks were

He put all of his interests on the page.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#122323: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:35:36 AM

Well....it was comic books.

A lot of these guys didn't consider the full consequences of some of their stories.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122324: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:36:23 AM

[up] You can say that again. Remember that this is the same company that put out Avengers #200? Whatever can be said about Claremont, he knew that story was messed up and needed to be called out.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 31st 2020 at 9:36:53 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122325: Oct 31st 2020 at 9:37:39 AM

Oh I'm pretty sure Claremont at least knew damn well what he was doing putting his kinks on-page.

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