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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
It was stupid that Joker would think Frank wouldn't be willing to kill him since for that crossover, Batman and Punisher existed in the same reality the whole time and Punisher is very famous as, you know, a man who kills all criminals.
Extra dumb because Joker was allied with Jigsaw, who knows better than anyone how bloodthirsty Frank is.
I like Joker's Favor because I think that's a pretty brilliant interpretation of The Joker. You see, The Joker might not necessarily fear death per se. Heck, I'd argue he wants Batman to kill him-it'd prove that he could make The Batman betray his principles.
However, some completely mundane rando murdering him over a largely private matter? That's a terrible anticlimax that'd ruin everything he worked for. Worse, it plays right into his beliefs about human nature, by his accounts, there's no way that guy isn't going to kill him.
With The Punisher it's hard to say. On one hand, I think The Punisher is a 'big enough deal' compared to Charlie, and The Punisher behaves quite a bit like how The Joker expects people to. The Punisher killing The Joker would, to The Joker, be confirmation of his philosophy.
The problem is actually that The Punisher does so too well and too unapologetically. Convincing Batman to kill you is an achievement, but convincing The Punisher to do so? Just about anyone can do that. The Punisher wouldn't consider it a defeat and he isn't falling from grace by doing so. If The Punisher heard The Joker's "One Bad Day" speech, he'd say something like "Yes, that's correct" and then shoot him.
So, if Batman is a stuffed shirt with 'no sense of humor' from The Joker's perspective, The Punisher is either a guy who more literally has 'no sense of humor'. As in, someone who is Literal-Minded and takes things you say at face value not even realizing it's a joke, until you explain that is, at which point they laugh despite clearly not getting the joke (or if they do get it, explaining why the joke is funny thus ruining it).
Leviticus 19:34Being killed by a guy who's job it is to kill bad guys wouldn't be the kind of end that Joker wants. Joker wants to be killed by someone for whom the act of killing him will be traumatizing, will be impactful, will be spectacular. Dying by Punisher is ultimately just being just another tally mark, not even Punisher himself will care, which is very much a fate Joker would hate to have - though ultimately I don't know if that's the way that crossover framed it.
It's worth noting that DCAU Joker was a lot more of a coward and a bully than comics Joker, though. The dude tended to freak out at the notion of death or defeat in general, with Mask of the Phantasm being the only example.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 29th 2020 at 4:17:33 AM
I think the people who made this voice skit would agree with you
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One interpretation I see very often is that the Joker hates Robins because they - with the exception of Damian - often act as a colorful and humorous foil to Batman and Joker feels that is his job.
He was also terrified when he thought Charlie Collins was going to kill him because he didn't want to die at the hands of a "nobody".
Edited by windleopard on Oct 29th 2020 at 5:38:48 AM
I think he also looked scared enough when he thought Harley was going to kill him in 'Harlequinade', and he was screaming while falling down an industry chimney in 'Mad Love'. He also had this Oh, Crap! reaction when falling towards the shark in 'The Laughing Fish'.
In 'Wild Cards', when he claims he's just insane enough as to shrug Ace's powers off, then we see he actually can't, while Comics! Joker probably could have. So, Comics! Joker is insane enough to usually just not care much if he's killed (and one could probably argue he has a death wish deep down) while Animated! Joker is not.
Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 29th 2020 at 5:46:23 AM
I can imagine he considered dying at Andrea’s hands in Phantasm a spectacular one.
He does at the hands of a victim he broken whom he know will hurt both her & Batman as all the while the Gotham future amusement park comes down around them in a fiery Hell.
It’s a pretty perfect death.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."I forget where I read it, but I saw something recently that said that Walker would be going by the codename Captain America in Winter Soldier & Falcon, which makes sense.
I imagine it'll be one of those things where he fights Falcon (with or without Bucky), and takes the shield from him at some point. Then by the end of it, Falcon beats him and takes it back, possibly donning his own Captain America costume at the same time.
Ya know there's something amusing reading the current X-Men comics and comparing the to the Foxmen.
The Foxmen kept things relatively grounded with the primary conflict throughout the films being Mutant discrimination & preventing extremist Mutants from wiping out humanity and preventing humans from commiting genocide in return.
Meanwhile things are going fucking high fantasy as the X-Men are dragged into an epic sword tournament against another dimension of magic wielding death-Mutants whose rankings include a giant multi-armed crocodile monster who speaks in rhymes.
Its fucking insane. Makes you wonder if the MCU will go any levels of crazy on that front.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Juggernaut is the best comparison benchmark for X-Men lore, in that regard.
In the comics he's an early debuter who is Charles Xavier's bully stepbrother who was empowered by a mystical gem found in an ancient dig and making him more unstoppable than freaking Hulk.
In the movies he's just a random strong mutant.
Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 30th 2020 at 5:59:23 AM
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel Studios' definition of the bare minimum ends up becoming leaps and bounds better than anything regarding Foxmen (except maybe Logan and the Deadpool movies).
But. There's no chance we should expect the bare minimum when the Children of the Atom arrive to the MCU. I just wish we got at least a clue about when Marvel Studios will dive into the X-Men toy box... (*blissfully ignores TFATWS having Madripoor and Omega Red rumors*)
Speaking of Foxmen, there's some buzzing that Hugh Jackman might've been offered a role in Multiverse of Madness, but if it's true, it's definitely not going to Wolverine, right? Maybe Nightmare or some other bad guy.
Presumably the combination of Charles' formidable Psychic Powers combined with the physical power of The Juggernaut.
There's actually a What If? story where Charles became Juggernaut.
Edited by M84 on Oct 31st 2020 at 10:39:11 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised

That's one kill that Frank would have been absolutely justified in.
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