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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#122226: Oct 26th 2020 at 4:10:46 PM

Hopefully this turns out better than his last comic book role as Apocalypse.

Technically his last comic book role was Miguel O'Hara in the stinger for Spider-Verse.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122227: Oct 26th 2020 at 4:39:16 PM

RE Disney, I periodically check out Simu Liu's Twitter, in part because I'm really stoked for Shang Chi, and it kind of seems like there must be some kind of non-disparagement contract clause about Disney properties.

Although he has liked several of things throwing shade on the live action Mulan, and to a very limited extent posted something with an unfavorable there's a conspicuous absence of him posting anything outright negative himself. And in one case, pushing back on a story that called attention to him making a very minor negative comment.

So, I wouldn't be all that surprised if Oscar Isaac had to walk back his anti-Star Wars comments.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122228: Oct 27th 2020 at 4:04:05 PM

Egyptian director Mohamed Diab is directing Moon Knight!

For reference, Diab previously directed a drama/thriller film called Clash back in 2016.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 27th 2020 at 4:07:17 AM

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#122229: Oct 28th 2020 at 4:59:00 PM

Yeah that whole 'The Hulk is actually Super-Gandhi who calculates his damage and therefore never kills anybody.' was one of Pak's dumbest ideas. Thankfully it has been pretty much ignored by everybody else.

Except it hasn't been ignored, the Hulk books pretty much has stuck with it.

Hell, it has basis in canon. Hulk has been at his most dangerous when he has been cut off from Banner. It's why Jean shut off Banner so Hulk could go all out against Onslaught.

But as it was point out in Immortal Hulk, it only the case with Savage Hulk. Banner can't really hold back Devil Hulk from killing people.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#122230: Oct 28th 2020 at 6:17:38 PM

Onslaught? Sonds like a edgy metal band and the final boss of Marvel vs Capcom, which was an OG character from the game and not a villian from a bad comicbook.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#122231: Oct 28th 2020 at 6:28:25 PM

There is indeed a band called Onslaught.

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 28th 2020 at 6:28:41 AM

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122232: Oct 28th 2020 at 9:31:39 PM

Yesterday marked the six year anniversary of Chadwick Boseman being revealed as Black Panther.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122233: Oct 28th 2020 at 10:10:41 PM

It's still hard to believe he's really passed. It was such a shock.

...Also I can't help but remember upon watching that clip that the Inhumans movie was part of that Phase 3 press conference. Oof.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 28th 2020 at 10:10:57 AM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122234: Oct 28th 2020 at 10:17:54 PM

I remember the first time I saw the news he'd passed and thinking it was misinformation.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122235: Oct 29th 2020 at 12:09:16 AM

Hulk has been killing people in the Aaron run, which came right after Pak's, and IIRC also in the Waid run afterwards and team books also never went with that.

One way or the other, it was a stupid idea is what I'm saying.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122237: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:22:44 AM

Heh Bullseye's got some differing depictions.

This..

vs this. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122238: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:31:14 AM

[up] One difference that really stood out to me was how the two Bullseyes treated men of the cloth. Farrell's Bullseye - who is arguably the most monstrous of the two - refused to kill a priest while Netflix Bullseye seemed to have no issue with Father Lantom being collateral damage.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 29th 2020 at 1:41:57 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122239: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:34:01 AM

[up] Huh that is interesting.

Well Farrell's Bullseye is explicitly Irish and they do have a particular way with religion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122240: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:40:48 AM

Netflix Bullseye is closer to comics Bullseye in this regard, considering comics Bullseye once slaughtered everyone in a mission shelter including some of the nuns running it.

Edited by M84 on Oct 29th 2020 at 4:41:02 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122241: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:48:57 AM

Yeah while 2003 Bullseye is straight from the comics in pretty much every other regard.

A remorseless, psychopathic hitman for hire who does what he does because of the sheer fun of it.

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Oh, bother.
#122242: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:52:55 AM

Comics Bullseye even claims that he could be richer than Norman Osborne because he almost never spends the money he gets from contract killing. He only charges high prices just to see how much people are willing to pay for his services. His "work" is its own reward.

The worst part is that comics Bullseye is a Karma Houdini since there's always someone who wants to hire him for his skill-set. Even after Matt killed him, he was revived by the Hand and (eventually) was restored to full strength.

Edited by M84 on Oct 29th 2020 at 4:53:41 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122243: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:56:13 AM

[up] On the other hand, Comics Bullseye tends to get his ass kicked a lot and in the most humiliating ways. One moment that really stands out to me is when Warren Ellis had American Eagle utterly thrash Bullseye in his Thunderbolts run.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122244: Oct 29th 2020 at 1:59:16 AM

Yeah, I remember reading that. It was pretty satisfying.

Though nowadays I try not to think of Warren Ellis' work.

Edited by M84 on Oct 29th 2020 at 4:59:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122245: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:07:07 AM

Bullseye has the classic Joker Immunity.

No matter how heinous his deeds, no matter how many times he seemingly finally gets his just desserts, the writers always save him.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#122246: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:08:27 AM

Comicbooks amirite?

That's one plus of the movies. There's no incentive to keep villains alive. Quite the opposite really.

Granted, some comicbook movies keep the villains alive for future installments. Fox's X-Men notably never quite got around to killing off Magneto or Mystique. And while the MCU itself killed off villains left and right, it took several movies for Loki to finally bite the dust.

Edited by M84 on Oct 29th 2020 at 5:10:19 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122247: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:22:29 AM

I find Bullseye is a lot more tolerable than the Joker since writers are more willing to show how helpless he is against people with super powers or better skills rather than portraying him as an invincible murder god who wins just by staying alive. A victory against Bullseye feels like an actual victory while beating the Joker just feels depressing because the writers don't offer any actual catharsis.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122248: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:23:27 AM

[up][up] And by that point, it was debatable whether he counted as a villain any more (which is why I'm a bit miffed by his death, since I'd loved to see where they were going with his character).

Edited by C105 on Oct 29th 2020 at 10:23:37 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122249: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:27:18 AM

Amusingly DD season 3 ended with DD permanently defeating Fisk without having to kill him at all.

He beat him so truly & finitely that Fisk is left with nothing & all he has to look forward too is to rot in jail.

Goes to show ya ya don’t need to kill them to put them down.

[up][up] I also like how they are just honest that Bullseye is nothing more than a depraved killer while Joker tends to get a lot of unnecessary grandstanding about himself.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 29th 2020 at 2:28:18 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122250: Oct 29th 2020 at 2:35:41 AM

Yeah Daredevil Season 3's defeat of Fisk was very epic.

Matt beat him in every way possible. Not only did he destroy his criminal empire, he also did not let the bastard destroy who he was and made sure he'd rot in jail without ever getting together with the one person he wants to be close to.

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