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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122201: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:05:38 PM

Shit it’s not like Superman’s ever been turned into a Nazi to my recollection.

52 featured an alternate universe with a Nazi Superman though he did pull a Heel–Face Turn later.

Make of that what you will. I'm still not sure what to think of it myself.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 25th 2020 at 8:07:01 AM

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#122202: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:09:26 PM

I'm not surprised after Superman Red Son.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#122203: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:13:49 PM

I picked green for the Illuminati color because the typical symbol for them is the pyramid with an eye typically found on the back of dollar bills.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122204: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:18:29 PM

I could see the Illuminati concept being used in later films even if it isn't the same characters from the comics. I'd select Doom, Magneto, the Leader, Moonstone, Mr Sinister and Apocalypse as members.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122205: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:19:56 PM

Interestingly enough Overman is the most redeemable of the Mastermen.

He actually recognizes that the Nazi empire he built is wrong and deserves to be torn down unlike his teammates who don't give a fuck and enjoy the lap of luxury they live in.

Comparatively Overman is an OG Nazi while the rest of the Mastermen were born long after the Nazis victory in WWII.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 25th 2020 at 8:21:08 AM

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#122206: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:24:26 PM

[up][up] Ah, so akin to the Cabal concept?

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122207: Oct 25th 2020 at 8:28:07 PM

More or less, yeah.

Oh, I should probably have added Norman Osborn and maybe Namor there too.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122210: Oct 26th 2020 at 10:38:38 AM

[up] Hey, if Deadline and The Hollywood Reporter say it's Oscar Isaac, then it's pretty much 95% set in stone, yeah?

Also, totally forgot he was Apocalypse...but then that didn't turn out so well, did it?

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#122211: Oct 26th 2020 at 10:43:24 AM

Isaac is a good choice in my opinion.

Edited by Bullman on Oct 26th 2020 at 12:44:39 PM

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#122212: Oct 26th 2020 at 10:44:08 AM

Issac is a great actor. He'll do great

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#122213: Oct 26th 2020 at 10:54:45 AM

Deadline and THR are both reliable outlets so if they're saying it's Isaac, it's likely him.

That's an awesome choice. Though I thought he was done with Disney after the Star Wars debacle. Must've offered a big payday on this one.

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#122214: Oct 26th 2020 at 11:17:15 AM

I thought it was Boyega who was done with Disney?

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#122216: Oct 26th 2020 at 11:39:25 AM

Maybe he meant he was done with Disney star wars. Not Disney marvel.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122217: Oct 26th 2020 at 11:42:26 AM

Still, they probably had to include some guarantees to get him to accept. At least that the previous mistakes wouldn't be repeated.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122218: Oct 26th 2020 at 11:42:51 AM

As I mentioned a bit before in regards to Mulan, those are two different studios after all. He wouldn't be working for or with the same people.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#122219: Oct 26th 2020 at 1:44:45 PM

That's great casting news, assuming (as I hope) that Mark will be Jewish in the show.

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#122220: Oct 26th 2020 at 1:53:48 PM

> As I mentioned a bit before in regards to Mulan, those are two different studios after all. He wouldn't be working for or with the same people.

You are correct in that it's different studio (Marvel) with different people but its still owned by Disney,it really depends on how much influence Disney has there

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122221: Oct 26th 2020 at 3:21:33 PM

I imagine Disney as a ruling body gives little influence as long as the end result is profitable. So far, since Feige's ascension Disney's primary meddling with Marvel has been "we want this to be a headlining series" vs "we want this to be a side series, and for you to focus your attention elsewhere," and those decisions were already made regardless of Isaac's involvement.

Over the last couple of years, I've noticed Walt Disney Studios (let alone the Walt Disney Company) is increasingly hands off unless they're forced to intervene in what their individual moving parts are doing. That's not the case for the animated stuff, which is where they put most of their direct meddling into, but stuff like Star Wars and Marvel they mostly just put mandates on ahead of time and then let make money.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 26th 2020 at 3:26:41 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#122222: Oct 26th 2020 at 3:48:02 PM

If Oscar Isaac turns out to be Moon Knight, the man's gonna be super busy between that and being the protagonist of Dune.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122223: Oct 26th 2020 at 3:55:23 PM

Hopefully this turns out better than his last comic book role as Apocalypse.

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#122224: Oct 26th 2020 at 3:59:56 PM

Hey the mcu has long proud of history of taking actors that were panned in their previous superhero performance and allowing them to shine in another one.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#122225: Oct 26th 2020 at 4:08:58 PM

If Oscar Isaac turns out to be Moon Knight, the man's gonna be super busy between that and being the protagonist of Dune.

Except Isaac's character in Dune isn't the main character. That would be Paul Atreides, who is played by Timothée Chalamet.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 26th 2020 at 4:09:14 AM


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