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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#122151: Oct 24th 2020 at 10:14:13 AM

Ross would be that annoying military jackass who hinders the soldiers all while acting like a pompous fool. Which is kinda what his mcu version does.

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#122152: Oct 24th 2020 at 10:28:26 AM

Eh, classic Silver Age comics tend to follow a pattern of:

  • Bruce/Hulk goes to a peaceful location and tries to live life without bothering anyone.

  • Someone, either a supervillain or the US Army, disturbs Bruce/Hulk's peaceful happy time.

  • Hulk fights his way out of the situation, leaving for a new location to start the cycle anew.

It's easy to forget that it's not just Bruce Banner who wants a quiet, peaceful life. Hulk does, too. Hulk would be perfectly content to just sit in a field of flowers looking at butterflies and relaxing in the sunshine, but the military always has to come in and destroy Hulk's peace and those flowers with their tanks.

The US Army is VERY much the aggressor in this situation, always chasing Hulk down, and Hulk always fights in self-defense and to get away. Obviously, comics have changed since the Silver Age, but I think that's still the ideal dynamic for Hulk and Ross.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122153: Oct 24th 2020 at 10:47:41 AM

As for Ultimate Hulk, I never had a problem with that version either.

He was pretty much like the Devil Hulk.

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#122154: Oct 24th 2020 at 11:36:10 AM

Immortal Devil Hulk begs your pardon

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#122155: Oct 24th 2020 at 11:38:36 AM

Why do they call him Devil Hulk anyway? That seems like a more appropriate name for Red Hulk.

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Goku Black
#122156: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:07:26 PM

Well red hulk is called red hulk because he's red.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122157: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:08:49 PM

Thankfully he hasn't been around for a few years now. Terrible idea, really. Hope the movies never follow up on that.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#122158: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:09:11 PM

But Devil Hulk makes more sense for an evil Hulk name than 'welp im red hey hows it going'.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#122159: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:32:06 PM

The worst part about Red Hulk is that he doesn't retain Ross's moustache.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#122160: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:37:51 PM

That’s why the second red hulk is better

A mustache

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#122161: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:39:17 PM

They wanted to make a mystery of who was this asshole and the mustache would have made it obvious.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 24th 2020 at 5:39:39 AM

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122162: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:41:20 PM

If it rules out mustaches then mystery plots are stupid

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#122163: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:42:31 PM

[up][up][up] That's why Maestro is the king. Glorious Hulk beard.

Edited by Gaon on Oct 24th 2020 at 1:42:52 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#122164: Oct 24th 2020 at 1:54:21 PM

Shame we won’t ever get a Hulk movie.

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#122165: Oct 24th 2020 at 2:00:49 PM

Well, you've got at least one hulk movie in the MCU,I think they just need the confidence to make another

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#122166: Oct 24th 2020 at 2:01:27 PM

Yeah that seems to be completely off the table by now. And I liked TIH more than most, too. Still think the Hulk design in there was by far the best Live Action one until this day.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 24th 2020 at 11:01:44 AM

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Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#122167: Oct 24th 2020 at 2:10:18 PM

I liked The Incredible Hulk more than most as well. I'm in the minority in that I actually prefer Norton over Ruffalo in the role of Bruce. Betty is in my opinion one of the better MCU love interests.

Do you guys think Bruce will appear in the She-Hulk show?

Edited by Bullman on Oct 24th 2020 at 4:12:47 AM

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#122168: Oct 24th 2020 at 2:15:12 PM

Depends on how faithful to her origins they want to be. They should, but I wonder if it'd be Bruce or the Jolly Green Giant.

Edited by Blueace on Oct 24th 2020 at 6:17:22 AM

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122169: Oct 24th 2020 at 5:40:20 PM

Why do they call him Devil Hulk anyway? That seems like a more appropriate name for Red Hulk.

Devil Hulk was created a few years before Red Hulk, I think. They didn't call Ross' alter ego that because the name was already taken.

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Goku Black
#122171: Oct 24th 2020 at 6:10:49 PM

Cool.

Though we won't get it for what years

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122172: Oct 24th 2020 at 8:37:42 PM

That's neat. I look forward to waiting ages to watch my most desired upcoming MCU movie, knowing that it's already completely finished and just sitting around in a vault somewhere.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#122173: Oct 24th 2020 at 10:23:03 PM

I was really excited for Shang-Chi, but between the Mulan remake and various other faux pas of Disney's other works, I'm worried it's going to be dragged down by Executive Meddling of questionable racial/national nature.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 24th 2020 at 2:48:47 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122174: Oct 24th 2020 at 11:23:38 PM

Mulan and Shang Chi are necessarily made by entirely different groups of people all the way up to the executive level, with the only thing in common being the parent company, so that's unlikely.

People tend to forget that while Disney owns literally all of this, and while the company as a whole does have its mandates and demands, it doesn't directly make the movies involved or often make the decisions involved with that development. The studios do.

What the Mulan situation reflects on the Disney company as a whole is a bad habit of condoning shit decisions from the lower decks if it seems like those decisions will make money. But the person making that decision - good or ill - in Marvel's case would still be Kevin Feige (or whoever Feige's immediate bosses are).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 24th 2020 at 11:28:09 AM

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#122175: Oct 24th 2020 at 11:39:23 PM

[up][up]Yeah, that's part of why I think I'm weening off the MCU in recent times, at least in terms of interest in catching new stuff note .

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Oct 24th 2020 at 11:39:55 AM

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