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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#122101: Oct 21st 2020 at 11:54:33 AM

HYDRA I think is still around. If you go by the films it's not that weird but agents complicated things as they keep having them destroyed "permanently" only to return again and again.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 21st 2020 at 11:54:51 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#122102: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:12:30 PM

It's kind of Hydra's whole thing to come back anyway. They're like weeds, you can get rid of them, but they'll always be back eventually.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#122103: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:12:39 PM

You cut one head...

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Don't want to leave but cannot pretend
#122104: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:16:00 PM

After the nineteenth time, there stops being any entertainment value.

Trans rights are human rights. TV Tropes is not a place for bigotry, cruelty, or dickishness, no matter who or their position.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#122105: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:20:23 PM

It'll be interesting to see if they make Zemo the main antagonist of Falcon & Winter Soldier, or if that ends up being the government forces behind Walker.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122106: Oct 21st 2020 at 12:25:28 PM

I'm fine with HYDRA reappearing as long as they're not the main threat. Ant-Man's whole bit with them sending agents to buy supertech was cool, and I wish they had gone with the original idea to have Zola's android body appear instead of an anonymous agent.

Agents of SHIELD's problem was doing the plot wholesale, twice, and then introducing a supposed "real HYDRA" so they could do it again, even though it was getting increasingly obvious that the rest of the MCU didn't give a crap. Them realizing this later on and getting far more inventive and creative with the kinds of threats they faced resulting in much better stories imo.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 21st 2020 at 12:26:13 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#122107: Oct 21st 2020 at 1:46:07 PM

After HYDRA was "for really-real" defeated in season three of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., I think they're was only one time they brought them back as a splinter group, and that was near the tail-end of season five. Every other time they came back, it usually alternate reality or time-travel shenanigans.

I remember when Ant-Man 1 first came out, I thought how cool it would be if it was Ward doing the transaction with Cross, since he had started his own HYDRA faction at the time. Obviously, I know better now, but that was back when the shows were more willing to incorporate parts of the movies.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122108: Oct 22nd 2020 at 2:59:37 AM

Mark Ruffalo says Kevin Feige was set to leave Marvel if MCU wasn’t allowed more diversity

“When we did the first ‘Avengers,’ Kevin Feige told me, ‘Listen, I might not be here tomorrow,’” Ruffalo explained in an interview with The Independent. “And he’s like, ‘Ike does not believe that anyone will go to a female-starring super movie.’ So if I am still here tomorrow you will know that I won that battle.’” The “Ike” to which Feige was referring was Ike Perlmutter, former CEO and current chairman of Marvel Entertainment and one of the biggest impediments to Feige’s creative decisions before the latter became not only president of the MCU but also Marvel’s Chief Creative Officer.

“That was the turning point for Marvel,” Ruffalo continued. “Because Kevin wanted black superheroes, women superheroes, LGBT superheroes. He changed the whole Marvel universe. (And of course, Perlmutter wasn’t correct about people not going to a female-starring super movie. Black Panther, which made $476.80 million in profit and Captain Marvel, $414.0 million in profit, are the third and fourth most profitable films in the history of the MCU.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#122109: Oct 22nd 2020 at 4:09:18 AM

That might be why we've been hearing rumors of a Black Widow solo film since around when Avengers came out: Feige managed to convince Ike to greenlight it, but Ike sunk it into Development Hell as pay-back, and it only started actually getting made when Ike left.

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Goku Black
#122110: Oct 22nd 2020 at 4:31:01 AM

Blame perulmatter. He's the idiot that said "no one wanted to see black or women centric superhero films".

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#122111: Oct 22nd 2020 at 4:34:51 AM

Also Inhumans

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#122112: Oct 22nd 2020 at 5:06:36 AM

Eyup. Legend has it that Black Widow was pitched back in PHASE ONE, at least 3 different teams pitched it all nixed by Ike. At least one pitch had the Black Widow Film among the first 5 of the MCU.

There were very good reasons why Disney decided to break off the films and get them away from Perlmutter, Feige's leadership gave them a series of films that was raking in BILLIONS no way were they going to let him leave.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122113: Oct 22nd 2020 at 11:37:53 PM

Oh damn if we had gotten that Widow movie all the way back, then Hawkeye would have been the only original Avenger without his own movie.

Also I just realized, we already got Vulture and Electro's coming, now all we need is Rhino & Goblin and we can have a reunion of the boys.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#122114: Oct 23rd 2020 at 7:30:41 AM

The funny thing about the "me and the boys" meme is that the Rhino wasn't even in the episode where Vulture, Goblin, and Electro teamed up.

But you know who was in that episode? Doctor Noah Buddy. Don't know who he is? He was one of the original villains created for the show. He was the one who put together the team and his superpower was that he was invisible.

Get it? Noah Buddy? And he's invisible?

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#122115: Oct 23rd 2020 at 8:17:57 AM

See, the thing with comics and comic book animated series is that I don't know if that's actually true or if you were just making up a dumb pun with a lot of set-up.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122116: Oct 23rd 2020 at 8:29:44 AM

[up] No, they're not wrong. Noah Boddy was one of the original villains for the '67 series, along with the Human Fly Twins and few one-offs. I bet they came up with the concept because it would save (even more) money with regards to animation.

Edited by Aleistar on Oct 23rd 2020 at 8:31:47 AM

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#122117: Oct 23rd 2020 at 6:11:13 PM

Honestly to hell with the Inhumans. They're nowhere near as interesting as Marvel thinks they are.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122118: Oct 23rd 2020 at 6:15:37 PM

Rhino may have not been an original Boy, but they wanted him with them anyway.

How sweet. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122119: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:00:50 PM

[up]

I don't know when that became a thing, but I always did think that clip of those three smiling was kinda funny. Guess I wasn't alone.

Now for my bit of silliness for this thread:

A certain Prince of the seas tries to sue the surface world and hires a blind lawyer to make it happen:

Why post this?

Cause they I believe they have the rights to Namor, and they got back the rights to Daredevil from Netflix. I wanna see this fight. I think for their next phase, Marvel should have all the crazy crossovers. It'd be great.

One Strip! One Strip!
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122120: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:07:20 PM

They need an eventual Hulk vs. Thing fight and a Spider-Man and Daredevil teamup at the very least.

A shame that with Tony dead and the Inhumans being a flop, plus Planet Hulk being already sort of covered, they couldn't do a somewhat faithful Illuminati.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#122121: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:30:37 PM

I think that MCU Tony especially should not be anywhere near Illuminati

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122122: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:36:40 PM

The Marvel Illuminati has always been a really weird concept anyway.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122123: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:38:57 PM

Well that's gonna be easy I think.

So...I'm torn on whether I want things to continue to go wrong and be the fault of Tony killing Thanos (since the Hulk undid the snap), or not.

On the one hand, he's Tony Stark and everything must be his fault, and result in a new villain who wants to kill a lot of people to ruin what he's done.

On the other hand, why not let him have this win? After years of trying so hard to do right ever since he found out his weapons were doing more harm than good (which to be fair, is something that happens with weapons, so that's on you Tony), he finally did some lasting good, even if at the cost of his life.

....What do you chuckleheads think?

One Strip! One Strip!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122124: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:39:37 PM

[up][up][up] Well he's dead so I don't think we have to worry about that.[nja]

[up] [up]What do you mean by "weird" exactly?

Edited by windleopard on Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:40:02 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122125: Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:41:42 PM

In the sense that the most powerful characters in the setting having that reinforced by having them secretly (trying to) run the world while none of the other characters are aware, a concept that includes guys like Namor and Tony Stark who already sometimes get uncomfortable fascist leanings (and Reed Richards, who is just awful), is rather difficult to make sympathetic.

Not to mention that due to the nature of comic books, the team mostly just meets during big events to establish that they can't actually do anything about said events.

At any rate, as of Endgame the MCU Avengers is already more or less does what the Illuminati tries to do, but without the overt totalitarian vibes. Not that the organization's existence is entirely ethical overall either, of course.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 23rd 2020 at 9:46:39 AM


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