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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#122051: Oct 17th 2020 at 4:45:06 PM

If the blip served its emotional purpose, then it's done its job. If future stories don't want to rely on the blip for their own emotional arcs, that's not a bad thing.

I'd call it a good thing if the MCU doesn't obsess over the minutia of the blip in every MCU movie and show from here to eternity. It's more important to tell personal stories about individual characters than it is to force vestigial plot threads into stories that don't need them. If the blip is relevant to a story, they can acknowledge it without having to answer every "but what about this scenario?" question that isn't relevant.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#122052: Oct 17th 2020 at 4:50:19 PM

My stance as well. The snap and blip are relevant to the narratives that are built around them, exploring them in further detail is not in the interest of a event movies.

That stuff is better suited for the more serialized nature of a show.

Edited by MrSeyker on Oct 17th 2020 at 4:53:40 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122053: Oct 17th 2020 at 5:30:58 PM

Yeah, it's less that the writers didn't think about the implications and more that they sought to avoid them. It works fine enough for Endgame since the focus is on being a "best of the past montage" finale for the team and the MCU up 'til now. But sometimes too much hope is placed on "maybe part 2 will go into detail about it", which it felt like that's what was said a lot about Infinity War. What matters more is the story as it appears now, not the story that assumed to be in the future.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 17th 2020 at 5:31:44 AM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#122054: Oct 17th 2020 at 6:31:53 PM

Thing is I would be fine if it just moved on with the occasional reference to what happened, but making it into an outright gag in the first movie after it harms the emotional impact of the movie itself. That's why it feels diminished, not the lack of follow-up.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122055: Oct 17th 2020 at 9:39:26 PM

If they want to bring the mutant race in, then 'we make a point of smoothing over the global consequences of a society altering event' is not such a good precedent.

The mutant issue is all about serious, long term consequences for the human species from a 'fantastic' development turning things on their head.

jdubbam Since: Jan, 2020
#122056: Oct 18th 2020 at 1:02:37 PM

More potential developments on Spider-Man 3. As always, the "grain of salt" rule applies.

Potential 'SPIDER-MAN 3' Audition Video Description Revealed

The two-part video begins with a young African-American man out delivering food for what appeared to be his parents’ restaurant. The young man is stopped by the NYPD because he is wearing some sort of Spider-Man gear. When questioned by police, he states he's a fan of Spidey but it's clear that in whatever universe this takes place, being a fan of Spidey is NOT ok. This would certainly seem to be in line with where we'd think things would pick up in Spidey 3 following the events at the end of Spider-Man: Far From Home.

The second part of the video sees the young man first in a conversation with his father, then his cousin (?). When talking to the second person, a breaking news report airs on TV indicating that the costumed hero Spider-Man has been found dead at a museum.

So... depending on the context (my bets are on Strange or a Skrull having a part in this) it looks like they may be going for a "do something to make it look like there's no way Spider-Man and Peter could be one and the same" solution after all.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#122057: Oct 18th 2020 at 1:24:04 PM

... gee, I wonder who this mystery young man could be. Surely his name doesn't rhyme with Giles Gonzales or anything like that.

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#122058: Oct 18th 2020 at 1:26:52 PM

Nah, Gonzales would have to be a slant rhyme at best.

jdubbam Since: Jan, 2020
#122059: Oct 18th 2020 at 1:38:30 PM

If they do formally introduce Miles, I'm hoping they take an approach similar to what Insomniac did and not have him take on the role of Spider-Man so soon. I can see him being an otherwise average citizen who's not afraid to voice his belief in Peter's innocence. Maybe he could even play a direct role in clearing his name?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#122060: Oct 18th 2020 at 1:56:10 PM

I mean its kinda too early to have Miles as Spidey. Peter's not even out of high-school yet.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122061: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:04:31 PM

A lot of adaptations have been portraying Miles as closer in age to Peter lately, though I don't necessarily like it.

That said, if it is Miles, I would hope they would cast a Hispanic actor vs an African American one. Or someone of Miles Hispanic / African American descent.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#122062: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:22:08 PM

The recent Spider-Man cartoon has Miles exactly the same as Peter's age & as a result the dynamic between the two and Miles own character is pretty damaged.

As I recall he's less Peter's successor and more Peter's shadow.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#122063: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:26:34 PM

It should be noted that in the Ultimate Universe, where Miles originated, him and Peter where closer in age so the adaptations are technically following the source material.

The Original Iron Man Suit Prop Had One Big Problem

Talking to David Letterman for his Netflix show My Next Guest Needs No Introduction With David Letterman, Robert Downey, Jr. shared how, in the early days of shooting the Iron Man movies, there were some unique challenges created by the film’s practical props. Namely: they blinded him.

“Initially, everything was really there,” Downey said in a clip released from the show. “They wanted to spend as little as they could on CG replacement, so I remember this helmet went on, and there’d be a shot, and I’d be in this whole suit, and they’d say: ‘All right, Robert, it’s like you landed on the roof, so when we say action, just go like that, like you just landed, and then start moving forward.’ So I put this helmet on, and it slammed closed, and I couldn’t see anything, and then these LED lights went on and it was like The Manchurian Candidate… I was absolutely blinded.”

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122064: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:36:44 PM

Well, Miles didn't know Ultimate Peter, as he died shortly after Miles got his powers, but when Miles started meeting 616 Peter there was an age difference between the two that naturally affected their relationship.

[up]I remember wondering how Robert was seeing out of the prop during filming, and I guess the answer is that he wasn't. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 18th 2020 at 2:38:28 AM

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#122065: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:44:58 PM

Even if there was a CG replacement he would have various props on him for visual reference and even that could be difficult to deal with, trying to act with 20 pounds of gear on your shoulders and hands. Later movies made it more 100 percent CG, but ran into problems with "bobble head" motion capture.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122066: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:05:05 PM

It should be noted that in the Ultimate Universe, where Miles originated, him and Peter where closer in age so the adaptations are technically following the source material.

I actually forgot that, though I recall they did later reveal that Ultimate Peter came back to life, and he did meet Miles.

But yeah, he's got more of a dynamic with 616 Peter than he does with his own Peter.

But that does make me feel less...objecting towards them being close in age. Either one works, though I think Peter and Miles being close in age only works when Peter has been Spiderman for a while, and maybe when he's still a little older. I recall even in Ultimate, Miles was a year or two younger.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#122067: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:07:18 PM

Although I like Peter in the role of mentor, I don't think this version is ready.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122068: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:09:53 PM

I think it's because of the inherent distance between them. In the Ultimate Universe, Miles was close to Peter's age, but didn't interact with him. He was explicitly trying to live up to his image, looked up to him and tried to follow his example. He was a Legacy Character who was explicitly trying to be a legacy.

Because of this, it makes more sense for him to be farther in age from Peter in universes where he and Peter exist in the same space and interact, because you can't get that sort of relationship (at least, without killing Peter) if they're close enough in age to be peers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#122069: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:10:32 PM

Agreed.

You know what: for all my criticism of the show, I'd say Peter from the animated Ultimate universe was more ready to be a mentor than MCU Peter. He'd been heroing for a year before the series started, and led multiple teams before that when Miles crossed into his world permanently.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#122070: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:14:57 PM

I dont like miles being so close because aside of mile being afro latino, he become very similar to peter so we have to typical spiderman for the price of one, spiderverse work because he was the newbie of the group.

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#122071: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:29:40 PM

To add to [up], MCU Peter is to a certain degree a composite with Miles, between Ned being Ganke and his want to impress the Avengers into letting him work "in the big leagues."

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#122072: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:30:44 PM

They're not going to do it, but I would love if Miles was still legit a kid when he got spider powers, and instead of jumping into being Spider-Man we see a teenage Peter just trying to help take care of him and get involved in helping the kid grow up.

And then after a timeskip, Peter's in like his late twenties when Miles is a teenager who wants to be the next Spidey.

But on second thought, that might be too close to what they're doing with Cassandra Lang.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#122073: Oct 18th 2020 at 3:34:04 PM

[up][up]Eh, the Ned AKA Ganke connection is obvious, but MCU Peter is a lot happier than comics Miles was at the start of his run and has way less family drama. I also don't recall comics Miles having an obsession with the Avengers. It was more the other way around, as they sought him out when he first started Spider-Manning because they thought he was an imposter or disrespecting the late Peter.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 18th 2020 at 3:34:20 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#122074: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:02:58 PM

Plus, you could take MCU Spidey's eagerness to be an Avenger as a reworking of how pretty much the first thing Comics Spidey did after deciding to become a hero was try to join the Fantastic Four (though there, it's because he thought the job came with a paycheck).

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#122075: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:03:24 PM

I think he referes MCU Peter's admiration of the Avengers/Tony being a reflection of Miles' admiration of Ultimate Peter.


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