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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#121976: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:06:44 PM

Probably hard to do a satisfying mystery in the context of a superhero movie

Time constraints

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#121977: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:07:35 PM

Uh it could be done. But you'd still need to use an actual well known Villain which ruins the surprise.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121978: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:10:13 PM

It would be feasible with Batman and the Clayfaces. Just make it a guessing game of which of these characters (Karlo, Hagen, Payne, et al) is the incarnation of Clayface in the movie's plot.

With the Goblins, it's more complicated, since Norman and Roderick would always be too much of top suspects, and if you don't go with them it would be kind of... disappointing.

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#121979: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:22:47 PM

Hell, the new Batman movie that'll premiere in a couple years seems like a competent mystery.

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#121980: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:28:05 PM

Though one with the villain already known. I think a howdunit would work better for a superhero film then a whodunnit.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121981: Oct 13th 2020 at 3:26:57 PM

Probably hard to do a satisfying mystery in the context of a superhero movie

Not especially. Superhero is more a setting than it is a genre, so it's no more or less difficult to set up with superhero characters than it is to set up an action movie, or a drama movie, or a spy thriller, or a heist movie, or a space opera, etc and so on within the confines of the same.

The big thing getting in your way with a mystery adaptation in an adaptation is how verifiable the villain would be simply through research. So, like, if there's a "who is the Hobgoblin" movie, and Rod Kingsley is in the film, news sites will be all on it with "WHO'S PLAYING THE HOBGOBLIN!" articles and such. It's the same problem you get with adapting something that's popular and has a well known twist.

They would have to misdirect, subvert expectation, and do unexpected turns in the story to keep the mystery going. Stuff like, say, having the Kingsley brothers be in the film, but have the Hobgoblin turn out to be Daniel and not Roderick. Or have like every Hobgoblin identity be in the film in some way - Macendale, Kingsley bros, Urich, etc - and have the MCU version be an unexpected pick.

Then again, with how many audience members actually bought Mysterio's claim to heroism despite it being Mysterio, maybe they don't need to go that far.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 3:28:50 AM

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#121982: Oct 13th 2020 at 3:42:27 PM

Huh I just now remembered that Tony recently got an asshole older brother who is almost as smart as him & wants to take over Stark Industries.

Its prolly too late to do anything with Arno Stark right?

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#121983: Oct 13th 2020 at 4:33:06 PM

It’s be easy to introduce him with the same “stuck in iron lung since youth” but there’s not as much a point without tony

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#121984: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:05:15 PM

How would they be able to fold Hobgoblin into a Sinister Six plot? We know Electro is appearing in the next Spider-Man, and they've set up the Sinister Six well enough. If it's made of Scorpion, Prowler, Chameleon, Electro, and Hobgoblin, that only leaves one more, and I think it would be a good idea to bring back Vulture for the slot.

Maybe make Hobgoblin be the boss of the Sinister Six, and a big part of the plot is trying to figure out who Hobgoblin is, with him framing Ned.

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#121985: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:05:40 PM

They could always bring in Zeke Stane with the idea that Zeke claims he has stake in Stark Industries or something.

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#121986: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:09:44 PM

I was thinking with the inevitable Iron Man successor like Riri Williams, Arno or Arno-lite could function as a decent antagonist trying to take back what he considers to be his legacy.

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#121987: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:12:23 PM

I find it more likely Shocker is in the six than Prowler. The Aaron we've seen has 0 indication towards becoming a supervillain. I think the roster as indicated so far would be:

  • Vulture
  • Shocker
  • Scorpion
  • Mysterio
  • Electro
  • ???

There is of course the possibility Morbius somehow figures into it given Vulture is in his solo movie.

Hobgoblin would be nice.

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#121988: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:13:38 PM

Or maybe Carnage perhaps?

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#121989: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:22:07 PM

Carnage... really wouldn't work in a team. Unless everyone is motivated to killing as many people as possible, then Carnage ain't gonna play ball following orders.

Now that I've actually seen Venom (2018), I'm actually really enamoured with the idea of Venom arriving in New York to help clear Peter's name, only he's just the worst. He keeps eating people, and Peter looks more like a bad guy by associating with scary alien monster that shoots tentacles at people.

Maybe Venom even decides to add the spider-logo to his chest because he likes Peter so much. Yeah, kind of goes against their core relationship in the comics. But my god, would it be entertaining to watch.

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#121990: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:23:37 PM

[up]Film Eddie is already considerably more heroic than his comic counterpart pre-Symbiote, so wacky buddy comedy would be pretty funny,

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#121991: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:28:37 PM

[up][up][up][up]Okay, but Aaron has already set up Miles, and he needs to be Prowler for at least a short time before dying and inspiring Miles. In 616, Prowler became a supervillain just because it was easier than being a superhero and provided faster results, his plan was to steal stuff as Prowler and then recover it in his human identity as a fast-track to fame, and he pulled a Heel–Face Turn after just a couple outings.

They could do something like that, where Aaron turns into Prowler to join the Sinister Six to get his face out there and because he thinks the Sinister Six are good guys hunting down a Spider-Man turned evil. Once he realizes that Spider-Man was framed and the Sinister Six are actually a bunch of assholes, he switches sides on a dime to help him. And then he dies in the final battle helping out Spidey with Miles watching, setting Miles up for the next film.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 13th 2020 at 5:28:57 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121992: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:30:36 PM

I'm still not convinced that Holland's Peter has a crossover with Hardy's Venom.

Something great about their relationship was their personal hostility, but in this version something similar to Wanda with Thanos would happen. Only in this case the "I don't even know who you are" would apply to both sides.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 13th 2020 at 5:31:30 AM

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#121993: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:51:21 PM

Prowler doesn't need to die to inspire Miles. In fact, if Miles is to be used in the MCU you need to at least try to not just remake Spiderverse, and not having Prowler die (or not having Prowler at all at least in the first movie) would be a good start.

If we're going to use Miles in the MCU (far from a sure thing) I'd have Prowler come into fruition during his first movie and come in full form in the second rather than shoving him in the Sinister Six and killing him. Strikes me as too Spiderverse like.

Hell have Miles face the Techno Golem in his first outing, why not. Save Prowler for the second.

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#121994: Oct 13th 2020 at 5:52:36 PM

The 'New York incident' that got Movie Eddie ran into San Francisco was left unspecified IIRC, so I suppose they could tie Spider-Man into it via retcon. That being said Movie Eddie shouldn't be as obsessed about it since he never even mentioned Spider-Man through his movie.

And of course, that leaves the symbiote itself without a reason to care about Peter.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 13th 2020 at 5:53:03 AM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121995: Oct 13th 2020 at 6:56:29 PM

I imagine their enmity would be something like the new Broly and Goku.

The new Broly does not hate Goku, he just considers another enemy to defeat, and even at the end of the movie they say goodbye on friendly terms.

Although to be fair, the original enmity had a very silly cause, so we can understand why they removed it.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 13th 2020 at 7:00:43 AM

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#121996: Oct 15th 2020 at 2:16:43 PM

Sony more or less debunks the rumors of Maguire and Garfield returning for SM3.

I say more or less since it's worded in a very odd way. They say the rumors are "unconfirmed", but don't outright denied that there are talks.

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#121997: Oct 15th 2020 at 2:20:07 PM

Yeah, they pretty much had to do that. It was getting out of control, and they did not want to end up in another Star Wars situation.

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#121998: Oct 15th 2020 at 2:21:08 PM

They know there's a demand for a crossover,we'll see.

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#121999: Oct 15th 2020 at 2:30:41 PM

There already is one. Sony's making a sequel to it right now.

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#122000: Oct 15th 2020 at 2:34:06 PM

I meant another crossover event,not related to that film

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