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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121951: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:25:36 PM

Hobgoblin Philip Urich may be a potential idea, if they also bring the Kingpin.

They could say that he turned bad to avenge the death of his uncle.

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#121952: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:27:05 PM

I think at best the netlfix shows will be Broad Strokes or not brought up when these characters are re-introduced so I'm not sure they'll go for that. I do want the actors back though.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121953: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:29:48 PM

Honestly Kingsley could prolly hold his own trilogy or even across the greater MCU as the Big Bad especially if they make good use of his Hobgoblin Inc.

Selling supervillain identities as well as providing the powers and equipment needed to become super would be a massive gamechanger.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121954: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:35:02 PM

The coolest thing about Hobgoblin is the way he treats supervillainy like an enterprise. His skills in misdirection, thing where he lends out the Hobgoblin armor to thugs and schemers who want to play supervillain while he, the real Hobgoblin, sits in luxury waiting for some hero to suss him out and make him put on the suit for real.

It's very different from the way Norman and co operate, less vendettas and maniacal plots, more utilizing the concept of supervillainy itself for his own benefit while being smart enough to form a while mystery around him, which is why I'd really love a Hobgoblin adaptation that for once doesn't make him part of the Goblin family (the 90's adaptation didn't, which I really love).

Yeah, a series where Kingsley is the Big Bad manipulating events and other villains behind the scenes would be awesome.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 12:46:17 PM

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#121955: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:39:34 PM

After finishing all PS 4 Spiderman DLC, I just want to say I just love and want to see Yuri Watanabe in the next movie.

But in the other hand, I don't want to in fear of how they would handle her. I hated, and I mean HATED what the game did to her in the last DLC. I mean, I didn't know her story from the comics (hell, I thought she was an oriinal character), so I kinda can forgive them for following the comics path, but it just wasn't necesary. She was awesome as Spidey cop pal! I suposse the next game will tell if it was the right decision or not.

So I just fear the movies will feel obliged to do the same, and ruin a potentially awesome character.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121956: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:45:32 PM

I'm sure the status quo in the next movie is going to be that the public believes Jameson but the authorities know for a fact that Mysterio was a liar. But Yuri as a cop who still believes Jameson and is fixated on capturing Spider-Man even though the rest of the department won't could let them split the difference between her as sympathetic character and her as antagonist.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121957: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:45:59 PM

[up][up]That pretty much is her character from the comics, yes.

Bringing her into the MCU and making her just a friendly, helpful cop would just be unnecessary.

There are plenty of other characters like that who wouldnt need to be altered the way Watanabe/Wraith would be.

Edited by ArthurEld on Oct 13th 2020 at 12:46:47 PM

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#121959: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:49:31 PM

If he really wants to be a superhero, he'd definitely have to lose some weight first grin

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#121960: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:51:45 PM

It's very different from the way Norman and co operate, less vendettas and maniacal plots, more utilizing the concept of supervillainy itself for his own benefit while being smart enough to form a while mystery around him, which is why I'd really love a Hobgoblin adaptation that for once doesn't make him part of the Goblin family (the 90's adaptation didn't, which I really love).

Though Kingsley's not that different: when he first put on the costume, he criticized Norman for not just selling the tech he come up with...but then admitted he liked the feeling of power that came from wearing the costume himself.

I feel like Roddy's always walked that fine line that lets him dip into the world, but never quite go all in. He's a little crazy, but a crazy that keeps him from making all the mistake Norman (and other villains) have made.

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#121961: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:59:14 PM

He (usually) knows when to fold ‘em

A rarity among the supervillain set

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#121962: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:02:42 PM

Thats the beauty of Roderick. He knows he's doesn't Need to do this. He does it because he likes it and he's fully aware not to overstep when he'd get in genuine problems.

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#121963: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:05:22 PM

I think the Shocker is the only other one who knows better than to let personal shit cloud his judgment.

But nobody respects the Shocker.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121964: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:05:49 PM

He (usually) knows when to fold ‘em

A rarity among the supervillain set

I would love a superhero movie where the plot builds up to a climactic battle between hero and villain, and the hero gets their last second power up that will allow them to win, and then...

The villain just goes "you know what, fuck this" and nopes out.

There are plenty of other characters like that who wouldnt need to be altered the way Watanabe/Wraith would be.

They could do Jean DeWolff and not kill her. Though this is probably stuffing too much content in, they could theoretically also composite Yuri slightly with the Sin Eater, having her be Jean's partner who goes brutal vigilante.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 1:10:30 AM

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#121965: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:10:34 PM

would love a superhero movie where the plot builds up to a climactic battle between hero and villain, and the hero gets their last second power up that will allow them to win, and then...

The villain just goes "you know what, fuck this" and nopes out.

Iron man armoured adventurers did this. Iron man and ghost are fighting as ghost has been paid to assassinate Tony stark. So iron man reveals that in the fight that he'll be able to outlast h in through sheer stamina. Ghost is all...okay I'll just leave... and then try again later as their wasn't any thing forcing him to continue.

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#121966: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:14:51 PM

I would love a superhero movie where the plot builds up to a climactic battle between hero and villain, and the hero gets their last second power up that will allow them to win, and then...

The villain just goes "you know what, fuck this" and nopes out.

That technically happened in Captain Marvel when Carol confronted Ronan. True, he wasn't the main villain, but it still had some of that tone to it.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121967: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:17:47 PM

Come to think of it, Kingsley and MCU Vulture could get along reasonably well. Both are Pragmatic Villains who are functional enough when compared to the likes of Norman and Otto.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121968: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:21:35 PM

I really want a "supervillain mob boss" character. Hobgoblin being like that would work really well for Spidey, too, since he's such a mix between street level and hi-tech villainy.

But it's also one of the reasons I want the Maggia to show up at some point. And not the "it's the regular Mafia, just renamed" version of the Maggia we keep getting in adaptations. The actual "supervillain-run international organized crime" Maggia, with Count Nefaria and everything. If not for Kang being in Ant-Man 3, they would've been the perfect villains for that series.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 1:28:08 AM

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#121969: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:23:15 PM

I did once GM a quest for a superhero rp. It ended with Wonder Woman getting to a room full of Mooks guarding contraband that were armed with guns. She told them to surrender. The Mooks looked to each other, calculated their odds, and promptly surrendered.

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#121970: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:31:56 PM

I think it'd be hilarious if Hobgoblin showed up before Green Goblin did. That's something the Spider-Man cartoon from the 90's did, right?

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#121971: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:34:06 PM

[up][up] There was that mook in Iron Man 3 who simply left when he saw Tony destroy his co-workers with repurposed gardening tools.

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#121972: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:35:36 PM

[up][up] Yeah, in that show the goblin suit was a weapon Norman Osborn created for Fisk and the Hobgoblin, but which he eventually took back for himself when he lost his sanity.

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#121973: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:42:30 PM

[up] He was the one who said "Honestly, I hate working here, they are so weird." Right? [lol]

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#121974: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:42:51 PM

Part of what I'd like to see Kingley in a spidey movie is so we could have a superhero whodunnit. We don't do those too often.

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#121975: Oct 13th 2020 at 2:02:57 PM

[up][up] Yes. Probably the most clever mook in the MCU so far.

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