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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121926: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:00:02 PM

It doesn't really matter, because from everything I've heard, Inhumans feels like its own Bottle Episode, safely quarantined away from anything else that happens in the MCU, both TV-side or film-side.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 12th 2020 at 7:00:27 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121927: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:05:59 PM

IIRC Inhumans is Marvel TV and everyone sort of pretends that doesn’t exist.

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#121928: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:11:59 PM

Helps that it doesn't reference Any thing outside of it or vice versa.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121929: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:40:39 PM

I strongly suspect they're just not gonna mention it ever and if the Inhumans do ever show up again (like in the Ms. Marvel show), they'll just recast and reboot.

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#121930: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:42:41 PM

I'm sad that the actors were short changed though. They wasted such an a list cast.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#121931: Oct 12th 2020 at 4:43:35 PM

I watched a bit of the first ep: Medusa does mention those Inhumans on earth.

But yeah, Marvel T.V. seems to be the red headed step child of the franchise, probably due to Permulter.

Which is a shame, because there's good stuff there. I know a lot of people are still judging Agents of Shield entirely on the first half of its first season, but there's a lot more stuff that was pretty good.

Yes, the Inhumans as a substitute for Mutants is still a thing there, but that doesn't take away from the show.

I'm hoping that (barring the last two seasons, which are kinda incompatible with what happened already) Marvel finds a way to incorporate a lot of stuff from that series into its later stuff. I think it's too good to toss out.

Same for the Netflix shows. I'll take a Broad Strokes approach to the entire thing honestly.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Oct 12th 2020 at 5:43:51 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121932: Oct 12th 2020 at 5:38:02 PM

So far the only series that has been confirmed as canon is Agent Carter, due to Jarvis appearing in Endgame.

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#121933: Oct 12th 2020 at 8:27:04 PM

I mean Daredevil didn't need Avengers stuff to be enjoyable tbf.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121934: Oct 12th 2020 at 8:31:35 PM

It'd be tricky as hell to do one of the classic Spidey-DD teamups using these versions of the characters.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121935: Oct 12th 2020 at 8:46:52 PM

Would it?

Peter has been teaming up with Matt since he was a kid. They've known each other a long time.

I guess there's been a bit of a soft retcon on how old Matt is so that the gap isn't too huge (if he was in his 30's when Peter started, then he'd be in his forties now that Peter's an adult).

Of course, back in the day, people didn't realize Spiderman was a kid, which is something that gets played up quite blatantly in recent adaptations, so I suppose the claim they'd have a different dynamic isn't so crazy.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121936: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:17:43 AM

Also, Working the Same Case is a trope that has always worked pretty well with Spider-Man, and could work fine here too.

Funnily enough, since this version of Matt - should the MCU decide to take cues from the Netflix series - is not part of the MCU superhero loop, and could totally be written as believing that Spider-Man is a criminal until Peter proves otherwise.

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#121937: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:43:44 AM

With Mysterio's deathbed fuck you in FFH potentially causing trouble for Peter, you could have him end up in legal shenanigans where he ends up represented by an up and coming firm by the name of Murdock & Nelson.

The 90s animated Spidey took a similar tack and they were some of the best episodes of the show IMO

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121938: Oct 13th 2020 at 1:46:15 AM

On the complete speculation track, Jacob Batalon has cut down a lot of weight during the pandemic, and people are wondering if he's preparing to Hobgoblin (or Fake Hobgoblin, as it goes with Ned).

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#121939: Oct 13th 2020 at 7:16:14 AM

Disney says its ‘primary focus’ for entertainment is streaming — announces a major reorg

Expected sadly. I think we may soon be seeing cinema enter what happens to the drive In. A niche thing that people use occasionally.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121940: Oct 13th 2020 at 9:03:14 AM

[up][up]No offense to the actor, but I'd rather have a Roderick Kingsley or even Jason Macendale.

Mainly because other than the character being called 'Ned' there's no reason for him to become a Hobgoblin, you'd have to contrive one. At no point in a previous movie we've been giving proper buildup or reasons of why this Ned would ever put on a freakish costume, hop onto a glider and start throwing bombs at Peter.

[up]That may bite them in the butt internationally. Not all of the world is financially ready to take streaming as a sudden, viable way of mass entertainment distribution. At the very least, the breach between 'rich' and 'poor' societies regarding legal access to entertainment will widen a lot.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 13th 2020 at 9:05:25 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121941: Oct 13th 2020 at 9:28:44 AM

No offense to the actor, but I'd rather have a Roderick Kingsley or even Jason Macendale.

Mainly because other than the character being called 'Ned' there's no reason for him to become a Hobgoblin, you'd have to contrive one

If you know the history of the character, Ned doesn't become the Hobgoblin. Roderick Kingsley uses him as a patsy to deflect attention away from himself.

So there's no reason to think Ned being involved in a Hobgoblin plot means that Kingsley wouldn't be.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 9:29:14 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121942: Oct 13th 2020 at 9:43:01 AM

Even so, why to use Ned of all people? With the original Ned there was a reason, he at least was a grown man, and IIRC one with valuable access to information as a reporter himself, this Ned's just a kid. You could play the card of 'he's close and dear to Peter, to strike at him where it hurts most', but then you might as well just use Happy, a teacher, another classmate, even Aunt May. Great, now I want Marissa Tomei in Goblin garb for some reason.

Even so, just choosing someone who's dear and close to Peter rather than a better qualified candidate implies an amount of It's Personal bile. You'd need buildup for the mastermind to accumulate enough resentment to go that far instead of just dropping a fit strong guy like Gargan for the same purposes.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 13th 2020 at 9:45:08 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121943: Oct 13th 2020 at 9:47:13 AM

Ned is Peter's man in the chair, and has more a more close logistical connection with Spidey than anybody but maybe Michelle (depending on her new role in the dynamic in the next movie). In addition, if he uses Ned vs another character, depending on how well known they choose to have his connection to Spidey be in the next plot he could also frame Spidey as well.

But that's just off the top of my head. Ultimately the reasoning for it would be up to the writer - they could also just not do any of that and invent a reason wholesale for the purposes of the plot, like Ned stumbles across Kingsley's operation gets nabbed or something like that, or really anything.

The real reason it's possible we're going to see it is the writers going "this was a cool plot, let's adapt it" as they typically do, especially since it's somewhat of a popular fan suggestion. Making it work tailored to the MCU is what brainstorming and the actual writing process is for.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 13th 2020 at 9:47:55 AM

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#121944: Oct 13th 2020 at 9:49:34 AM

Might be a thing where Ned makes up the hobgoblin identity to join the pack of costumed peeps hunting peter to fish for information

Feels like a stretch really and I doubt hobgoblin fans want that kind of first movie appearance for their boy hobby

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121945: Oct 13th 2020 at 10:32:24 AM

Movie Ned becoming Hobgoblin would be just as forced as Comics Hellcat pulling a Face–Heel Turn.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121946: Oct 13th 2020 at 10:34:21 AM

Again, the Hobgoblin would still be Kinglsey. Ned as Hobgoblin is and always has been a case of a Frame-Up.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121947: Oct 13th 2020 at 10:38:03 AM

We could bring in the 7th Hobgoblin Philip Urich, it could be a hoot seeing that loser.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 13th 2020 at 10:38:21 AM

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#121948: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:04:42 PM

[up] I could see Sony potentially making Ned the heroic Goblin, since Marvel has the rights to the Urich family.

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#121949: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:21:46 PM

I want to see Kingsley as the hobgoblin though. A slick Magnificent Bastard who rose form fashion designer to supervillain mastermind.

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#121950: Oct 13th 2020 at 12:23:36 PM

I want to see a hoard of goblins in a Spiderman movie

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