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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121901: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:32:18 PM

What the heck is a Kurse?

-Googles-

Oh,that's a Kurse!

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AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#121902: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:34:53 PM

Kurse's actor would later play Killer Croc and ya know, I can't help but feel a little bad for him.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121903: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:38:41 PM

I rather like The Dark World. Sure, it does not have the most memorable MCU villain by far (which is a shame, because I was getting a kick from seeing the Doctor try to destroy the universe, starting with London), but it manages an overall good balance between goofiness, action scenes, fantasy and character development (mostly on Loki's part, though). It helps that I'm apparently one of the few people who finds Darcy funny.

Edited by C105 on Oct 12th 2020 at 10:38:57 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121904: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:40:11 PM

three things I remeber about Dark World

1)Loki "Dying"

2) "Big Bad whatever you call him spamming teleport

3)Huge,cool looking Alien spaceship

Edited by Ultimatum on Oct 12th 2020 at 8:40:22 AM

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121905: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:45:01 PM

From what I've heard, Loki was originally going to be Killed Off for Real. However, when they held test screenings, a lot of audience members didn't buy it and thought Loki was faking his death. So they decided to do some reshoots where Loki does survive.

I remember thinking they did kill him off for real when I first watched the film, but that was because I accidentally looked at a spoiler on the site and stopped right where it said Loki "died".

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
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#121906: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:49:48 PM

I think afterwards they relased that anything they came up about why hes still alive would be a Vodoo Shark so just elected not to say anything.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#121907: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:51:13 PM

I've got to be honest, Dark World is pretty easily the most boring MCU movie in my opinion. Probably the only one I have no real interest in rewatching.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121908: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:52:33 PM

Everyone appeared to love Darcy dearly at first, it's just afterwards she became disliked for some reason. I never had any problem with her myself.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121909: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:52:56 PM

It's funny that what's considered one of the worst movies in the MCU (even if it could mean the least good) ended up being pretty important in the grand scheme going on.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121910: Oct 12th 2020 at 1:56:04 PM

It says something about how humdrum TDW is that I found TIH more exciting to watch.

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Goku Black
#121911: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:05:07 PM

the final fight is cool but yeah thats about it. The action is weirdly lacking and Im not sure why exactly.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121912: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:06:36 PM

I think the reason Kurse being wasted bugs me so much, is because if they had actually adapted him well it would've been the perfect thing to make Malekith's whole story would have been a lot better, and might not have taken that much to do.

Malekith is shown in the movie to be so obsessed with winning that he would wipe out his entire race just for the slightest, most petty chance of victory. In the comics, Kurse was Malekith's most loyal minion until he realized that Malekith would sacrifice him and anyone else for his selfish goals, and rebelled against him, and it almost feels like that moment was intended to happen in the film, until it didn't. A plot point like that - with the Dark Elves being unsatisfied with the way Malekith treats them and some turning against him - would've added a few layers to Malekith's story to make him more engaging, as apposed to just being "I hate light, die."

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121913: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:06:53 PM

It's oddly dancelike and Narmful for it. It feels extremely artificial.

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#121914: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:10:06 PM

It does amuse me that Dr. Selvig of all people is the one who technically scores the kill.

Selvig confirmed more powerful than an Infinity Stone, that's how power scaling works.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 12th 2020 at 5:10:42 AM

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121915: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:21:27 PM

So Selvig is up there with Carol, Wanda and Goose, then.

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Goku Black
#121916: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:22:04 PM

Goose still no. 1

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121917: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:22:32 PM

Also for years, Thor: The Dark World had the biggest stakes out of any of the MCU films since the entire universe was at stake. I don't think it was until Doctor Strange that there was another universal-level threat.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121918: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:36:37 PM

Guardians of the Galaxy was close, too, but at least universal destruction was not an immediate threat there.

Edited by C105 on Oct 12th 2020 at 11:36:50 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121919: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:39:14 PM

One of my problems with TDW is that even though it technically had such high stakes, it had a hard time conveying it so that it felt that way. It's the most Monster of the Week film of the bunch.

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Goku Black
#121920: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:55:06 PM

Which Is down I feel to how underwhelming malekith is. He doesn't feel like this universal level threat.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121921: Oct 12th 2020 at 2:57:00 PM

The worst MCU film is The Incredible Hulk for me, but the Dark World and Iron Man 3 are up there.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121922: Oct 12th 2020 at 3:14:09 PM

The worst would be Age of Ultron for me. On my latest MCU binge it was the only movie where I felt constantly bored and waiting for something to happen. Which is curious, because I had found it more interesting on my previous reviewing.
I'm apparently also in the minority for whom Iron Man 3 is one of the favourite MCU movies.

Edited by C105 on Oct 12th 2020 at 12:15:01 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121923: Oct 12th 2020 at 3:27:11 PM

[up]

....DESTROY THIS MAN!!!!

Getting serious, I like both The Dark World and Age of Ultron. I've heard the issues people have with both, (the dislike of Tony's Prima Nocta line, the Widow/Banner relationship, and then he claiming she's a monster because she can't have kids, and Ultron not being enough of a threat), and while I get why people feel that way (we could have done without the widow line), I still enjoyed it greatly.

Iron Man 3 is the closest thing to a bad movie for me, and even that has things I like (Tony basically proves why he's Iron Man, despite spending the bulk of the film without his suit).

So yeah, TDW/AOU good, IM 3 lacking.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121924: Oct 12th 2020 at 3:29:49 PM

My big unpopular opinion is that AOU is better than Avengers 2012. I have yet to find anyone who agrees with me, and I don't think I ever will.

As for the movie I consider the weakest, I'd have to say Iron Man 2. It's a big mess of attempting to micromanage Tony Stark's character arc to get him where he needs to be for Avengers 2012 (which ended up being pretty unnecessary anyways), it involves a bureaucracy plot and a PG13 alcoholism metaphor that don't really mesh well with each other IMO, it has a pretty weak villain, and it's the only early MCU movie where I felt the "they spend too much time shoehorning plot setup for later movies" critique had some merit.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#121925: Oct 12th 2020 at 3:35:19 PM

Yeah inhumans is genuinely bad. Is is still Canon or have they retconned it yet ?

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