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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121851: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:44:36 AM

Endgame has better moments but Infinity War is the much better movie.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121852: Oct 11th 2020 at 12:09:57 PM

Wait a minute, isn’t Val technically the Allfather now?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121853: Oct 11th 2020 at 12:30:14 PM

Probably technically but its likely nothing more than a title at this point.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121855: Oct 11th 2020 at 12:46:09 PM

Brunhillde is the King of New Asgard, but not Allfather.

Allfather is more of a symbolic name, although it has occasionally been used interchangeably with King.

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#121856: Oct 11th 2020 at 1:13:11 PM

[up][up] Is there a chronological list of all the Marvel material on D+? I've decided to binge them all (starting with 1979's Spider-Woman cartoon), but I'd like to get a comprehensive list (not exactly for continuity, just to see the evolution).

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121857: Oct 11th 2020 at 3:05:09 PM

There's a section called "Marvel Legacy Animation" at the bottom that seems to be in chronological order, and the MCU stuff is separated into Phase 1, Phase 2, and Phase 3. Not sure about the live-action series stuff, though.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121858: Oct 11th 2020 at 3:14:13 PM

I assume the official site has all the Marvel media they have.

In terms of "Marvel Legacy Films", they have all the theatrical Fantastic Four films, and the X-Men and Wolverine films up to X-Men: Apocalypse. Everything that's rated R or was released after Apocalypse is not on Disney Plus.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121859: Oct 11th 2020 at 4:03:51 PM

Such a shame they don't have the Blade movies.

Ooooh they have some good cartoons though.

The 90's X-Men show, X-Men Evolution, Superhero Squad, even the obscure Silver Surfer show.

....... Huh Spider-Woman had her own cartoon?

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 11th 2020 at 4:06:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121860: Oct 11th 2020 at 4:16:45 PM

I didn't know that either.

On another note, I was rewatching Ant-Man and the Wasp and when Louis is explaining to Cassie why Scott is under house arrest (in an otherwise funny scene, I admit) he tells her that Scott violated the Sokovia Accords.

But... the Sokovia Accords didn't actually get ratified, right? Because Zemo disguised as Bucky blew up the building with a car bomb or truck bomb right before T'Chaka was going to start speaking. So in legal terms you can't punish anyone for violating something that hasn't been signed into law (also apparently the UN has the power to write and ratify the accords which is ...suspect), at least I think not. I’m not even sure if it's retroactive because we don't hear about them being signed later or anything. So nobody violated the accords - sure, they aided and abetted Bucky, a known criminal (also brainwashed, but Cap didn't tell anyone that) and probably resisted arrest and destroyed private property, but they can't be prosecuted for breaking the Accords that ultimately didn't get passed. Am I misremembering? (And sure, it's only a few lines in Ant-Man 2 but it's a big part of Civil War).

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121861: Oct 11th 2020 at 4:24:40 PM

The Accords were probably ratified formally at another meeting later in the day or week. It's highly unlikely they'd let such an important piece of legislation slide, especially during the 2 years of Scott's house arrest.

The car bombing is why in real life the UN doesn't conduct meetings rooms with massive street view windows. tongue

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 11th 2020 at 4:25:40 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121862: Oct 11th 2020 at 5:08:11 PM

The UN can sign all the accords all it wants, (and these were clearly done off-screen, dialogue in various movies confirms it, as well as AOS) but it only matters if member states actually want to enforce it in their own borders.

And the United States clearly does.

Plus, Scott is a convicted felon, I believe. He has very little rights if law enforcement decides it wants to jam him up.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#121863: Oct 11th 2020 at 5:36:53 PM

[up] Yeah, I assume he would of officially been on probation during the events of Civil War (even though we never saw him check in with a probation officer on screen). So simply leaving San Francisco without his probation officer's permission would of been a serious offense, let alone leaving the country.

Really the only reason he was only sentenced to house arrest is because the actual existence of the other winter soldiers was considered mitigating circumstances and whoever was assigned to bring him in was willing to make a deal to bring in him and Clint.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121864: Oct 11th 2020 at 7:15:58 PM

Plus he wasn't really a conspirator, so he probably got a lighter sentence. Think of him like the guy who agrees to drive a friend to the airport for a favor, but then finds out once the favor's going down that he's actually the getaway driver for a robbery.

Cap did inform him that he would be breaking the law before he did it, but I assume his lawyer told him not to say that.

What's interesting is how much worse Hank and Hope got it than him. Especially the legally tenuous "they created the thing you used to break the law, so they're going to jail too" bit. But the fact that we don't know exactly what the Accords entail covers that part.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 11th 2020 at 7:18:12 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121865: Oct 11th 2020 at 7:23:15 PM

Possibly the government has just been waiting a long time for some pretext to seize Hank's research again, especially without Peggy or Howard there to keep the heat off of him.

Or possibly because of that time Hank compressed an office building into a singularity.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121866: Oct 11th 2020 at 7:51:09 PM

I'm surprised he only got 2 years house arrest for ripping an airplane to shreds. surprised

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 11th 2020 at 7:51:20 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121867: Oct 11th 2020 at 7:57:52 PM

"The German government was asked if they wanted to press charges but a representative said 'are you kidding? That was fuckin' dope.'"

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121868: Oct 11th 2020 at 9:27:44 PM

Okay yup this is the best parody of the Endgame Amazon Brigade scene. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121869: Oct 11th 2020 at 9:51:00 PM

[up][up][up] Not to mention throwing an oil tanker at a USAF member.

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#121870: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:20:18 PM

[up][up] They also did a "proper" Girl Power moment in the finale that was legitimately awesome and felt earned properly too.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121871: Oct 12th 2020 at 12:00:59 AM

Or possibly because of that time Hank compressed an office building into a singularity.

I always figured they blamed all that on Cross. It's not like he could say "no, it wasn't me."

"Yep, all the destruction of property and mayhem? Totally Cross covering his tracks or whatever. Who are you gonna believe? Me, merely an unpleasant old man, or the guy who literally tried to kill a kid?"

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 12th 2020 at 12:05:46 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#121872: Oct 12th 2020 at 12:33:05 AM

He was also the same criminal mastermind who imploded Darren Cross.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121873: Oct 12th 2020 at 12:35:01 AM

It cracks me up to think of Hank referring to himself as merely an unpleasant old man.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121874: Oct 12th 2020 at 12:39:28 AM

Though it is something pretty much everyone who knows Hank would agree with. He's a lot of things, but "pleasant" isn't one of them.

Edited by M84 on Oct 13th 2020 at 3:39:47 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#121875: Oct 12th 2020 at 5:56:17 AM

There's a reason the only people who seem to actually like Hank are Scott (who is just a nice guy like that) and Hank's own wife (who avoided seeing him at hos crankiest and jerkiest by being trapped in the microverse). Maaaaybe Hope too, but not much and not all the time.

Edited by jakobitis on Oct 12th 2020 at 1:56:35 PM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

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