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    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121826: Oct 8th 2020 at 7:21:29 PM

I recall there was a later comic where someone pointed out Spidey could get around that problem by getting paid through shell companies. And in one She-Hulk arc, he actually did sue the Daily Bugle and would've won, except his lawyer insisted on trying Peter Parker too and Spidey not very intelligently dropped the case instead of just telling his lawyer to leave Peter alone.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 8th 2020 at 7:21:48 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121827: Oct 8th 2020 at 8:05:10 PM

I think it was a tie in to Avengers Academy because I remember those kids sassing him (although they come to respect him after seeing him actually in action)

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121829: Oct 10th 2020 at 6:27:28 AM

[Cloning Saga intensives!]

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121830: Oct 10th 2020 at 6:31:48 AM

Oh shit. Spider-Verse 2, boys.

The legend has returned.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#121831: Oct 10th 2020 at 6:52:36 AM

Please let this happen.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121832: Oct 10th 2020 at 6:59:18 AM

Pump the hype brakes, people.

FandomWire is not the best source of news. Not nearly as bad as We Got This Covered or Cosmic Book News, but I'd hold my horses if I were any of you...

(Have Tobey and Andrew done anything since Spidey anyway? Last I heard, Tobey was in the Great Gatsby movie from 2013 and did narration for The Boss Baby and Andrew was...I actually don't know.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 10th 2020 at 10:01:51 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121833: Oct 10th 2020 at 7:01:10 AM

too late,I let the horses go

now they're freeeeeeeeeeeee

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121834: Oct 10th 2020 at 7:02:03 AM

So much for it being "24 hours to Doomsday!”

Ok, how much for MCU Leopardon? The Russos are doing a Gatchaman film. They might as well get some practice in.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#121835: Oct 10th 2020 at 7:10:54 AM

I liked Tobey in that chess movie "Pawn Sacrifice", there's a few moments in that that feel like Raimi era "Parker moments"

Andrew burned a few bridges during the publicity tour for ASM II

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#121836: Oct 10th 2020 at 7:38:50 AM

What did Andrew do ?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121837: Oct 10th 2020 at 7:52:22 AM

he said something stupid apparently

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121838: Oct 10th 2020 at 8:20:28 AM

Last I heard, he dissed the head of Sony for ASM 2's excessive executive meddling. Or maybe he was out sick and couldn't make it to the event that was supposed to announce ASM 3. The former was way more prominent, though.

I still think we're jumping onto the "Spidey 3 is live-action Spider-Verse" boat too fast and too early...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 10th 2020 at 11:23:16 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121839: Oct 10th 2020 at 8:42:06 AM

Yeah, clone saga is more likely

If I can just figure out a way to put home and clone in a title

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121840: Oct 10th 2020 at 9:55:06 AM

A clone far from home

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#121841: Oct 10th 2020 at 9:56:38 AM

Home on the clone range.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121843: Oct 10th 2020 at 10:22:53 AM

Fandom Wire is not the best source of news. Not nearly as bad as We Got This Covered or Cosmic Book News, but I'd hold my horses if I were any of you...

Yeah, given that this isn't corroborated by anyone, I'm gonna presume it's fake.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#121844: Oct 10th 2020 at 3:18:15 PM

I mean, just because neither of them have been in blockbusters in a while doesn't mean they're out of work. Andrew had Silence and Hacksaw Ridge just 2 years out from ASM 2 and I'm pretty sure Tobey has done smaller films and television.

Also yeah, I'd believe it if it were Variety, the Hollywood Reporter or some other reputable paper.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121845: Oct 10th 2020 at 3:47:28 PM

As a rule of thumb, the best way to tell if a report is fake is to check online and see if the story is getting widely reported elsewhere. It's not unheard of for a less credible source to get a scoop, but even if they do if the story is credible (especially if its as big as this one would have been) you can bet that other sources will be reporting it as well within a couple hours.

But if it's been hours, and the only site corroborating the story is WeGotThisCovered (as is the case now)? Definitely not real.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 10th 2020 at 3:50:08 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#121846: Oct 11th 2020 at 3:14:12 AM

Fandomwire broke several stories before they became widespread. Casting of second Batwoman, JSA in Black Adam, Barbara Gordon in the third season of Titans etc. In many instances, it took weeks before some of these were officially reported.

So yeah, I'd hold back on saying something is 'definitely fake' just because it doesn't follow a certain 'procedure'.

There are many, many instances of spoilers being spilt on the internet only to be met by dismissal, and then people act shocked when they come true without any real mention from the press or official news sites all the way from production to premiere.

Edited by Zarius on Oct 11th 2020 at 3:21:39 AM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121847: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:04:05 AM

Finally finished watching Endgame (yes, I know, I'm late to the party) and I have a few things to say, in no particular order.

    Practical Implications of the Blip 
Great, so the billions that were killed in the Snap are back! ...And Then What? Is the world economy going to be able to handle the probable inflation from large amounts of money suddenly being reintroduced (assuming people had money in their wallets)? What about jobs? Will the Un-Snapped be able to get their personal property back? Will there be enough resources to support these people when the world has been running at a capacity that can only support half the now-total amount? Is there back-rent or back-taxes involved for the Un-Snapped? What about loans?
    Overall Tone 
Is it just me or is the tone very inconsistent? Things like Tony mistaking Rocket for a Build-A-Bear and Natasha snarking that Rocket probably didn't have to climb a mountain really clash with Steve in the support group and ...well, most of Thor's screentime, really. It gave me a bit of Mood Whiplash.
    Moral Murkiness of the Blip 
So the Not Quite Dead people got alive'd again! Yay! ...but it's been five years and people have generally moved on, even if they're struggling. What about the psychological damage that the survivors would have from suddenly having a dead spouse/family member suddenly pop up being the same age as they were five years ago? What about the new marriages or families that would be impacted when the old ones show up unaged? How would the Unsnapped fit into their new lives when from their perspective the world changed in a matter of hours? What happens when they get told they were dead for five years? Am I supposed to believe that no one on the team thought about this or the practical implications listed above? I can only do that if I assume that everyone on the team is too emotionally damaged to think straight.
    The 'Girl Power' Shot 
I think it's hilarious Marvel is trying to say that they represent women with that shot. They didn't do a corresponding shot with the guys because it would have been immediately obvious how much they outnumber the girls. Having a Token Girl or two for an otherwise male group does not diversity make.
    Steve at the End 
As stated above I don't care about the time travel mechanics, I think it's a bit odd that Steve knew how to come back to the bench. Also, his thing about adapting to the modern world was a thing in TWS, right? That's why he had the notebook? Why did he decide to go back to alternate-reality Peggy? Is it because he was so desperate from the chaos from the Snap and its aftermath that he wanted to go back to someone he knew from his past? If so why not just go to Bucky? Also, didn't Peggy decide to move on at the end of Season One of Agent Carter, or am I misremembering?
    Other Thoughts 
- Can we stop making Star-Lord the Butt-Monkey whenever Thor is around? It's not funny

- Does Valkyrie being the Queen of Asgard really matter now that it's a fishing village and not space magic land?

- Whether Black Widow dying was fridging or not, I don't know, but I will just say that she was a Token Girl for the Avengers and killing her reduced the number of people in the "Girl Power" shot by one, which was not a great move representation-wise if showing off female representation was the shot's intended effect

- You'd think there would be some kind of garbage disposal service after five years, but ...apparently not, since bags are on the streets. Even weirder because only half the trash is being produced (and sure, it could have been random chance that all the people in the industry got snapped, but Occam's Razor says probably not).

- Paul Rudd is a gift to this movie and provides some much-needed seriousness and appropriate levity

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121848: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:10:53 AM

Things like that were the reason why I preferred Infinity War to Endgame.

Endgame just had way too many things that didn't really make much sense or were solved in an unsatisfactory manner.

Plus, way less character focus, with many characters only being there for the slugfest at the end.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 11th 2020 at 8:11:17 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121849: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:41:02 AM

Fandomwire broke several stories before they became widespread. Casting of second Batwoman, JSA in Black Adam, Barbara Gordon in the third season of Titans etc. In many instances, it took weeks before some of these were officially reported.

So yeah, I'd hold back on saying something is 'definitely fake' just because it doesn't follow a certain 'procedure'.

As I recall, all of those instances were corroborated within the day.

It's been days and it's still only We Got This Covered who is corroborating the story, which means news outlets have had more than enough time to verify the information and get on the story themselves, but have chosen not to. It's fake, mon.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 11th 2020 at 11:41:55 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#121850: Oct 11th 2020 at 11:42:54 AM

I've mainly come to prefer Infinity War for having more of the Guardians of the Galaxy, for good or ill. Which is admittedly just a bit petty of me. But also it's better to look at and the fight scene on Titan is IMO the best action scene between both movies.

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