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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121801: Oct 6th 2020 at 12:00:21 PM

And they've never really been clean before, at best they fall under Values Dissonance.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#121802: Oct 7th 2020 at 5:20:37 AM

[up] Yup they were introed as Villians to the Fantastic Four IIRC. So hard to make them 'heroic' as the X-Men...which is what Perlmutter wanted.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121803: Oct 7th 2020 at 5:33:00 AM

The Inhuman Royal Family can be played as either villains or morally grey characters. Inhumans like Daisy or Kamala can be depicted as heroic.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121804: Oct 7th 2020 at 7:45:59 AM

I mean, if we want to get technical, Black Panther was introduced as an enemy to the Fanstastic Four at first.

I mean, the end of the issue showed that he really meant no harm and they teamed up in time for the next issue, but still.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#121805: Oct 7th 2020 at 7:58:25 AM

I mean, all Marvel heroes end up fighting each other the first time they meet.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121806: Oct 7th 2020 at 8:00:25 AM

Someone in the community tried to turn nutshots into the official goodbye of the community, but wasn't catching on.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121807: Oct 7th 2020 at 8:27:51 AM

And that someone was Aaron Stack

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121810: Oct 8th 2020 at 11:10:43 AM

Benedict Cumberbatch will be appearing as Doctor Strange in Spider-Man 3! surprised

Calling it now, there will be a scene where Stephen disses Mysterio and calls him a charlatan. (Doesn't matter if Quentin's dead or not.)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 8th 2020 at 2:13:01 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121811: Oct 8th 2020 at 11:38:10 AM

Huh. Considering Strange is the other major Lee/Dikto creation, it is fitting that he'll appear in Spider-Man 3. Maybe we'll see something like Strange feeling guilty about Tony's death and him trying to help Peter as a way to atone?

Maybe the third Spider-Man film will feature multiverse hopping shenanigans, explaining why Jamie Foxx is returning as Electro. We'll this lead into a live-action Spider-Verse with Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield?

~I dunno, we'll see~

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121812: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:05:55 PM

Strange and Peter have worked together quite a few times haven't they?

Then again, Peter's worked with damn near everybody. Hell, that was the premise of Marvel Team Up, since he was one of the stars originally.

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#121813: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:09:12 PM

Guess magic Sherlock is how everyone ends up forgetting Peter Parker is Spider-Man then.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121814: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:10:15 PM

I've also seen at least one person worried this might go down One More Day route, with an attempt to use magic to backtrack on the ending to Far From Home.

I'm very skeptical that they'll go in that direction, but we'll see what direction they're going once a trailer drops.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121815: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:47:09 PM

Predictably, this just enflames everyone's theory that this is going to be a live action Spider-Verse movie.

Strange and Peter have worked together quite a few times haven't they?

Specifically, Dr. Strange was the first character Spider-Man ever crossed over with. I've been wanting a Dr. Strange / Spidey movie for ages.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 8th 2020 at 12:49:58 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121816: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:51:43 PM

Heh this clip from the end of Ultimate Avengers 2.

I'm amused by how many comments say "They should have done this in Endgame.]]

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 8th 2020 at 12:51:57 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121817: Oct 8th 2020 at 12:52:15 PM

Maybe by Dr. Strange they mean a guy named Otto with eight limbs.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121819: Oct 8th 2020 at 1:02:41 PM

Or maybe X-23 or Rhino, based on that logic.

The legend has returned.
Mullon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
#121820: Oct 8th 2020 at 1:36:24 PM

I'm tempted to buy Infinity War on blu-ray just so I'll have the "kick names, take ass" scene in my possession forever and ever.

Never trust anyone who uses "degenerate" as an insult.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121821: Oct 8th 2020 at 2:09:25 PM

Rewatching the final battle in Endgame and I noticed something.

The portal that Wasp came out of when all the Avengers are assembling is a very very tiny one.

Wow, Strange, show some respect for the people who invented time travel. [lol]

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121822: Oct 8th 2020 at 5:58:26 PM

"I've also seen at least one person worried this might go down One More Day route, with an attempt to use magic to backtrack on the ending to Far From Home."

It's not like Spider needs a cosmic retcon, he just needs the Skrulls to use their powers to "prove" that Peter Parker is not Spider-man.

Of course Spider-man would still be a wanted criminal, but at least Peter would be free.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 8th 2020 at 5:59:07 AM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#121823: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:08:58 PM

[up] Spider-Man's legal problems might not be too serious at all since it's likely that Nick Fury (whether it be Talos as Nick Fury or genuine Nick Fury) might be able to testify to Spider-Man's innocence and to Mysterio's guilt.

The problem Spider-Man will have to face is that not everyone is going to believe the official line once the accusation is out there.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#121824: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:19:23 PM

I don't see it needing to be retconned for three reasons:

-It wouldn't be too difficult for Spiderman to prove his innocence conventionally, and that would make for a cool plot anyways.

-Spiderman is usually a Hero with Bad Publicity anyways in most adaptions. I feel like the twist was put there to create that exact status quo. Though admittedly, a murder charge is pretty extreme.

-They already did something similar with Endgame.

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Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#121825: Oct 8th 2020 at 6:21:57 PM

One of the problems Peter always faces in proving his innocence of various charges is that defending himself in a legal sense would require revealing his secret identity. In an early comic, he couldn't cash a check made out to "Spider-Man" because that's not a legal person.

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 8th 2020 at 9:22:07 AM

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