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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#121776: Oct 6th 2020 at 12:15:26 AM

His powers would've been pretty fun to see in a lot of Civil War's and Infinity War / Endgame's fights.

I'm pretty confident we'll see Speed post-WandaVision to make up for the speedster absence.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 6th 2020 at 12:15:54 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121777: Oct 6th 2020 at 12:25:40 AM

The Ultimates 8-page spread does give a fun idea of what Quick would have been like in these movies.

Just blitzing around the war sequences at high speed & we can see him in the background in every shot, even multiple ones in the same scene.

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#121778: Oct 6th 2020 at 12:31:25 AM

At the 15:47 mark of this video, Red of OSP talks about all the missed potentials Quicksilver's character arc would have had had he been allowed to survive to take part in Civil War and Endgame.

I want you to picture, for a moment, a world where Quicksilver existed for the events of Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame. He'd already started outgrowing his angry, jaded personality and had begun recognising the Avengers as heroes, seeing them do their absolute damnedest to save Sokovia from a problem he indirectly helped cause. He started off hating Tony but changed his mind to side with him instead, recognising that all Tony wanted was to fix the problems he caused.

So, if Quicksilver survives Age of Ultron he becomes an Avenger, most likely just as fiercely loyal to them as he was to Ultron, just in time for them to tear themselves apart in Civil War. Say he sides with Tony, seeing the accords as just another step in Tony's journey away from being a weapons dealer he hated. It puts him in opposition against his sister, the first time they've really fought, and it would be cool to see them fight! Even if it... probably wouldn't last long.

Say he survives the Snap in Infinity War, the first time he's separated from his sister. The way they played out Endgame, during those five years there were almost no active supers on the planet. Thor was getting drunk and Hulk was getting therapy, but I don't see Quicksilver taking armageddon lying down. He could be doing his damnedest to keep the peace Flash-style, maybe even clashing with Hawkeye's one-man vigilante crusade, a narrative foil situation, each of them responding to the loss of their family in very different ways. Maybe he's doing for Earth what Captain Marvel is doing for the rest of the galaxy, desperately running around keeping things working while the rest of the team searches for a real solution because he's the only one with the powers to do it.

Then Wanda comes back after the snap and suddenly there's a five year age difference between these twins. Wanda's still mourning Vision, Pietro's just happy she's alive, and my god the emotional baggage they could unpack there. There is SO much potential here, but Age of Ultron wanted a death and Pietro was available so... sucks to be him. Bad twist.

Edited by Nightwire on Oct 6th 2020 at 12:41:22 PM

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#121779: Oct 6th 2020 at 1:33:17 AM

[up] The main issue I see with this is that the twins never received a lot of character development (to the point that we never got to see Wanda apologising to Banner). So, yeah, this could have been very interesting plots... if these characters had been fleshed out more than "bad guys who turn into good guys because they found a bigger bad that scares them". Civil War and Endgame were already as crowded as they were, and there are already characters who have been put to the side in Endgame (Okoye in particular), so I don't think there would have been room for more character arcs unless you spread out Endgame over 2 movies.

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#121780: Oct 6th 2020 at 3:49:56 AM

He'd have a pretty personal stake in Civil War too as his sister (and only blood family) was locked up "for her own good." He'd definitely have something to say about that. Plus a Quicksilver vs. Spider-Man fight (super speed vs spider sense and agility) could be amazing with the right choreography.

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#121781: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:25:38 AM

Whichever directions he might have taken, it would have been way more interesting having Quicksilver be alive, rather than killing him off and taking away so much storytelling potential.

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#121782: Oct 6th 2020 at 4:47:14 AM

Which other speedsters are there in Marvel? I guess Slingshot is out of the question or if she appears in the MCU she will sadly be a different character/actress than in AoS.

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#121783: Oct 6th 2020 at 7:07:07 AM

Well, we might be getting Speed and Wiccan in Wandavision...

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121784: Oct 6th 2020 at 7:28:41 AM

I never liked the Young Avengers.

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#121785: Oct 6th 2020 at 8:04:54 AM

Marvel's a bit lighter on speedsters. I'm trying to look through the wiki but it just reccomends characters who have speed as part of a much broader powerset.

There are a number, but most are pretty minor characters. Whizzer, who I guess gets points for being early. Lightspeed, though flying seems like cheating. Spitfire, who was active in WW2 and became a vampire. I guess Blue Streak (and by associate the rest of the Fast Five) might count, he's fun.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121786: Oct 6th 2020 at 8:29:42 AM

There's also Speed Demon who's kind of a loser villain speedster.

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#121787: Oct 6th 2020 at 9:17:10 AM

I actually asked about Marvel Speedsters in the main Marvel comics thread. Yeah, they aren't that numerous. Pietro is in fact the most notable of them.

I guess Blue Streak (and by associate the rest of the Fast Five) might count, he's fun.

Wait, is there another Blue Streak besides the one from the old Marvel Comics 2 line? And who are the Fast Five....oh god! The Turetto Family has made it's way to Marvel!

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#121788: Oct 6th 2020 at 9:31:50 AM

Superheroes are iterative.

There's a bunchton of speedsters at DC because Flash is a prominent hero.

So he gets a bunch of speedster characters budding off and orbiting him.

Quicksilver is very not. So he does not.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#121789: Oct 6th 2020 at 9:36:34 AM

Well that's because writers kept tossing him out because they didn't think he was interesting.

Apparently the reason he kept leaving the Avengers is because writer thought he and Hawkeye were too alike (what with both being hot-heads) even though there were enough differences (abilities, familial connections, etc) that really they'd be very different, combined with the usual he's too powerful argument that comes with a lot of characters.

So he bounced from the X franchise, to the Avengers, to being left with the Inhumans, etc, because no one wanted to actually try with him.

All any character needs is one writer who's willing to put in the effort and like a character enough to really develop them, but not everybody gets that and when they don't, characters get screwed. I'll admit that some people are a complete wash, but that's really only something that can become clear in hindsight. If you're not even willing to try, of course they end up as a joke.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121790: Oct 6th 2020 at 9:40:40 AM

I do like how Quicksilver is a genuine prick.

Thats a pretty valuable character.

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#121791: Oct 6th 2020 at 10:03:21 AM

There is also Speed of Young Avengers.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121792: Oct 6th 2020 at 10:16:04 AM

The Silver Surfer is one of the few Marvel heroes who has The Flash-levels of crazy speed.

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#121793: Oct 6th 2020 at 10:43:02 AM

Sadly AOU wouldn’t be the last nor worst (in my opinion) of an Avengers movie unnecessarily killing off certain characters for the sake of a swerve or angst. Starting to think these giant mainline crossover movies aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.

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#121794: Oct 6th 2020 at 10:58:34 AM

One of the characters mentioned above, Lightspeed, is a member of Power Pack, a team of four child superheroes that the MCU has been considering adding ever since early Phase 2. As recently as two years ago, we heard that one of the producers on Guardians 2 was working on a Power Pack movie and that it would be "Spy Kids-esque".

I've been a fan of the Power Pack and wanted them in the MCU since it started, and it feels like I've been waiting so long, constantly getting notes of "We're considering it" and "It's coming eventually, probably".

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#121795: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:01:59 AM

If they can make the Guardians of the Galaxy work, I think they can make anyone work. Yes, I know, Inhumans, but that's because of Perlnutter, not their own fault.

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#121796: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:44:54 AM

Inhumans could have worked if it wasn't rushed or coming at the expense of the x men.

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#121797: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:49:34 AM

[up] Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Inhumans are basically organized around social darwinism? Like the the Terrigen Mists determines who is and is not a worthwhile person in their society? I don't know a whole lot about their comics lore, but if that's true then it would be difficult to make the characters sympathetic.

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#121798: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:50:05 AM

Or having an actual budget while not being awkwardly shoved into a tv show.

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#121799: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:55:18 AM

[up][up]I think the Inhumans show made them much worse in that regard than they usually are in the comics.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 6th 2020 at 11:56:43 AM

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#121800: Oct 6th 2020 at 11:58:03 AM

They did look pretty bad during the whole "pitting them against the mutants" era, though.

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