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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#121751: Oct 5th 2020 at 9:02:56 AM

I liked the scene in AOU where he tried to grab Mjolnir

Good stuff

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Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#121752: Oct 5th 2020 at 9:44:14 AM

With regards to Quicksilver, do we actually know if he was killed off because of the Fox-Men? Like, have Whedon and/or Feige made public statements to that effet? Because I think it's more easily explained by Whedon wanting to have a twist, where he telegraphs Hawkeye as dying but then it turns out someone else dies, and Quicksilver made a convinet candidate since no one was particularly interested in using him as a character.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#121753: Oct 5th 2020 at 9:50:07 AM

This reminds me I was apparently the only idiot among all the people I talked to about AoU who actually thought that Clint would be the one to bite it.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121754: Oct 5th 2020 at 10:05:39 AM

Foxmen Quicksilver was far more entertaining than MCU Quicksilver, so I am glad the latter got killed and not the former, if they really had to do it because of that.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121755: Oct 5th 2020 at 10:59:25 AM

[up]*2. The irony of Hawkeye is that to the fandom he is such an obvious red shirt, that it makes him almost immortal.

If you visit forums from 2014 and early 2015, I assure you that the most obvious candidate to die was Hawkeye.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Oct 5th 2020 at 10:59:40 AM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121756: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:07:32 AM

Yeah. I mean, the sudden family, the getting injured early, the snark about how he's useless compared to everyone else, lots of death flags.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#121757: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:26:45 AM

You can say a lot of things about Whedon, but you can't say he's bad at the subversion game.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#121759: Oct 5th 2020 at 12:28:23 PM

[up]

My face and my palm are having a long meeting on that one.

And yeah, Hawkeye dying was telegraphed something fierce.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#121760: Oct 5th 2020 at 12:34:58 PM

I mean, I thought it was pretty obvious he wasn't gonna die...

...Because he was slated to appear in Civil War.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121761: Oct 5th 2020 at 12:41:19 PM

I wanted Hakweye to die in the Infinity Duology. I had in my mind's eye seen a scene where a energy blast sears Clint's eyes during the climax and Clint has to ace a shot against Thanos while being completely blind. He does and causes something plot relevant (like taking the glove out of his hands or something). Then he cracks a defiant grin as Thanos inevitably vaporizes him.

Alas it was not meant to be.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121762: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:33:50 PM

[up][up] That's why I try avoiding as best as possible any information about which character is going to appear in future movies. Although, of course, there was a Black Widow movie announced after Endgame...

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#121763: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:36:21 PM

Also ghosts and flashbacks and such

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121764: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:42:22 PM

[up] Unless I'm forgetting a glaring example, I don't think we've had a lot of that so far with dead characters in the MCU.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121765: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:44:08 PM

There were flashbacks, I believe the biggest examples were in Ao U. No explicitly supernatural stuff like ghosts though.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
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#121766: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:45:45 PM

Ao S had the supernatural and ghost. And yeah Thats about it.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#121767: Oct 5th 2020 at 1:59:47 PM

[up][up][up] sounds like the perfect time to start then

But there was the stuff in Black Panther

Edited by Bocaj on Oct 5th 2020 at 5:00:12 AM

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#121768: Oct 5th 2020 at 6:15:21 PM

Plus Captain Marvel had Coulson and Ronan.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#121769: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:02:46 PM

Also tons of time travel characters in Endgame, including Howard Stark, Peggy Carter, Brock Rumlow, Jasper Sitwell, Alexander Pierce, the Ancient One, Loki, Frigga, and Thanos himself with his children.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121770: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:06:29 PM

You can say a lot of things about Whedon, but you can't say he's bad at the subversion game.

I dunno. That almost entirety of his characterization for Hawkeye was "death flags! Lol, psyche!" and/or "isn't it stupid that this character is here?" did not do the character's public perception any favors, and is one of the things I point to for why Ultron's characters writing was subpar. Not to mention that it basically reduces Quicksilver to the punchline of a joke you're only going to get if you're Genre Savvy.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#121771: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:09:24 PM

The MCU is no stranger to flasbacks where they bring back actors from past movies, so yeah, a character showing up in a later movie is not a total guarrantee that they can't die before then.

Personally, I never for a second thought Clint was going to die because it was way too telegraphed. But I WASN'T expecting Pietro to buy the bullet for him. So I was genuinely caught off guard.

I really wish the sequels could've payed better respect to the character afterwards (I understand why they couldn't). Hopefully something can come out of Wandavision (hell, he could even be mentioned in Hawkeye).

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121772: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:12:47 PM

He's good at reliably putting subversions into his works, but I don't know if he's good at making the subversions themselves good. For another notorious example of his love of subverting expectations, look at the Widow/Hulk romance and its subversion of a Clintasha romance.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121773: Oct 5th 2020 at 11:17:52 PM

He made a name in shocking everyone with surprisingly killing the adorable comic relief to the point that everyone started to expect it from him and now the ploy is old.

There wasn't any reason for Quicksilver to die besides a cheap "surprise!" It came too late to matter.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 5th 2020 at 11:18:14 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#121774: Oct 6th 2020 at 12:02:54 AM

Killing Quicksilver was such a waste of character. So much more could have been dome with him.

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