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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
That can be said of most fights of the main characters against anybody else. Also in this case I agree that it was also quite obvious Steve was going to escape because the movie is not over yet.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.Yeah, I really do think that the Bucky stuff and the "Ao U consequences" stuff would have been better separated into two movies. As it is the movie lurches between the two plotlines and it's a bit whiplash-y.
So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my TumblrI dunno, that came off as the point to me. Civil War, the film, isn't about the Accords or the Registration Act, or the Ultron Consequences, not really. The smart way they adapted all that stuff was just to make all of that the cause/excuse for antagonism in the movie.
Captain America: Civil War isn't a movie about Cap valiantly fighting for the rights of individuals to superhero. It's an "agent goes rogue" film in which Tom Cruise Cap's superiors tell him "no, you can't hero" and Cap learns/decides that only he can do X thing to save the day, and so has to fight his former allies to do the right thing. His focus the whole time is on Bucky, and the accords is only a thing that makes saving Bucky / stopping Zemo harder.
The flipside is that Zemo comes off as not really doing anything and having everything fall into his lap, because while he's the villain he's not really the antagonist of the film.
It also means that lines like "I'm trying to keep us from falling apart" / "you did that when you signed" don't hit so hard, because the Avengers are really falling apart due to the ideological differences so much as some are following different evidence than the others. Hell, half the people in the airport fight didn't even know wtf was going on. But I do prefer it to the alternative.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 4th 2020 at 3:45:58 AM
I definitely think the movie did a good job with the story that is an improvement over the comic (not a controversial opinion).
I do wish the MCU had time for a movie in between AOU and Civil War where the Avengers got along well with each other.
I am looking forward to more "heroes fighting villains" stories going forward and the potential of Thunderbolt Ross as a major antagonist leading an evil/antagonistic Avengers group (hard to say but it seems plausible in light of upcoming films and tv shows).
It sucks that the Avengers team during that time only got like one tenth of a movie to shine. I loved the beginning, with the others teaching Scarlet Witch the ropes and their easy sense of companionship. Heck, I would've loved a film or even just a like a short about the split Avengers - Cap's team and Iron Man's team - struggling to stop some kind of villainy between Civil War and Infinity War.
It's situations like that which make me wish the Marvel One Shots were still a thing.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 4th 2020 at 3:48:40 AM
I think Age of Ultron is the sort of missing domino of the whole franchise. The Avengers not getting along in their opening movie is to be expected, but AOU kneecaps the franchise by having their only full outing before they jack-knife into a brick wall be...also them bickering endlessly.
So when they're all in profound conflict over the remaining movies it rings more hollow because they never really got along for a full movie.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Some of them do. The thing is well Clint and Natasha, Bucky /falcon / Steve and Natasha or war machine and iron man seem to get along great. This doesn't really apply to the avengers as awhole.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."I really would've preferred if Cap 3 with the fallout of the Winter Soldier and onward got to be its own film, and Civil War be a separate Avengers movie, rather than an admittedly still pretty good Frankenstein that barely juggled the two. But unfortunately AOU, having dropped the ball like it did, necessitated Civil War to spend more time playing catchup than it should've.
That's the thing. I don't think Civil War was written the way it was because of Ultron. The movie doesn't really clear up anything unspoken by that movie, or follow up to it specifically. The Accords could have just as easily been the New York Accords and nothing would have changed.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 4th 2020 at 6:36:34 AM
Of course all that was thrown out a window, with the infamous line "Do you think that this A on my forehead stands for France!?" And in that moment he went from being Innocently Insensitive and Deliberate Values Dissonance to being a xenophobe.
Honestly, that line can be fixed just by changing the France at the end to Hydra.
Boom. Now he's taking a potshot at the Nazis.
It's a stupid line either way because neither HYDRA nor France starts with A. The least Cap could have done is pick a goddamn concept that starts with the letter he's pointing to.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
No. They are saying the Context doesn't help because portraying the french as Cheese-Eating Surrender Monkeys is not cool.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, we got it. I'm just taking issue that even if you remove the xenophobic instinct in it (and Cap finding the need to dunk on the people he fought alongside for some reason) the line is still stupid on its basic level because it's a pretty nonsensical segway to point into the A in your head and ask if it stands for something completely unrelated to it. Saying "What do you think I am, Captain France/French?" is just as xenophobic but at least makes basic sense.
Captain pointing to his skull and saying "Do you think this A stands for Adolf?" is better because it dunks on Nazis and it makes sense (Adolf Hitler being not exactly known for his bravery and there is the fact he decided to kill himself solely to escape justice for his crimes).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."From the looks of it I’d find Ultimates biggest achievement to be its art.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/8to6kb/bryan_hitchs_8_page_spread_from_ultimates_2_issue/
Seriously a Goddamn 8-page spread. How many times does Quicksilver appear on this image?
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."It doesn’t make much sense for Cap either since he would have fought alongside the French underground and wouldn’t have been thawed long enough to start internalizing war on terror foreign politics
For all the hay said about how ultimates Cap is Actually more realistic for a man frozen from the 40s he’s actually more like a 2000s poorly researched idea of a person frozen from the 40s
Because that’s what he is
Edited by Bocaj on Oct 4th 2020 at 10:11:34 AM
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

But he does get irreversibly injured.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers