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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121651: Oct 3rd 2020 at 1:22:23 PM

This is what happens when your dad is "The A doesn't stand for France" Cap. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121652: Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:27:07 PM

Cap hit him with a plane

It made me laugh

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121653: Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:31:06 PM

Ultimate Marvel seems to be an extremely mixed bag. Some of it is great like black Nick Fury and Miles Morales while some of it is terrible, as we have discussed.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121654: Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:35:01 PM

Ultimate Nick Fury is only good in Spider Man and then only sometimes

Also, I’ve become freshly angry about how Bendis did Kraven dirty

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Prowler I'm here for our date, Rose! Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#121655: Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:38:43 PM

[up] I like the character overall, but thought it was a pretty funny punchline when he got taken out in USM, myself.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121656: Oct 3rd 2020 at 2:57:14 PM

I am half & half considering getting the Ultimates omnibus & to be clear it only includes the original 2 Marky Mark runs.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121657: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:23:29 PM

I still got no shame in admitting that I prefer Ultimate Cap to 616 Cap.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#121658: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:24:02 PM

You should absolutely feel shame.

My various fanfics.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121659: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:27:15 PM

That's strange, Ultimate Cap is exactly the kind of character people who hate 616 Cap because they don't have any idea of what he's actually like in canon think he is. In other words, a parody of 616 Cap's Hate Dumb played straight. On top of being just plain badly written towards the end.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 3rd 2020 at 6:29:20 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121660: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:29:32 PM

I'd like a nice balance between the nice yet boring 616 Cap and the assholish yet funny Ultimate Cap. Oh wait, MCU Cap exists.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121661: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:32:26 PM

Admitably the majority of my interest in Ultimates is because of Bryan Hitch's art.

Granted I can get the older trades fir Ultimates 1 & 2 for cheaper than the omnibus but their missing an annual.

I am under an inner debate on whether that one annual is worth paying 72 dollars.

[up][up] Huh so he's Injustice Superman? tongue

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:33:26 AM

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#121662: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:36:55 PM

[up][up] MCU Cap never came off as very assholish to me. Snarky occasionally, but still almost always a nice guy.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121663: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:38:53 PM

Like I said, a good balance.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121664: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:41:44 PM

Oddly enough Ultimate Spider-Man hasn't been recollected in a finer edition yet.

Also weirdly enough Miles already has a full omnibus that collects the entirety of his original series & the rest under Bendis' pen.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121665: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:56:27 PM

I prefer Ultimate Cap because he doesn't actually start out as an ideal hero, he gradually transitions into one. And he actually has some ugly sides to him, which makes him more relatable.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 3rd 2020 at 12:57:02 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121666: Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:56:39 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] Not too off, although Ultimates Cap is funny in a So Bad, It's Good way.

Edited by AlleyOop on Oct 3rd 2020 at 6:56:54 AM

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#121667: Oct 3rd 2020 at 6:14:46 PM

Do you think this A stands for France. [lol]

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121668: Oct 3rd 2020 at 6:29:21 PM

That one line seems to have completely defined Ultimate Cap hasn't it?

It's like his Hank slapping Janet moment....which is ironic considering how much worse ultimate Hank Pym was.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121669: Oct 3rd 2020 at 6:45:48 PM

[up]IIRC Ultimate Cap later admitted it was a stupid line, but he still has a hatred of the French he can’t quantify.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121670: Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:08:08 PM

He didn't admit it was stupid; Ultimate Hawkeye congratulated him on how allegedly cool the line was and asked how he came up with it, to which Ultimate Cap responded he just blurted it heat of the moment.

In actual putdowns of the line, 616 Cap during the Winter Soldier arc reminisced about the French Resistance and how he hated when Americans called them cowards, and Ewing's Ultimates brought back Ultimate Cap so he could say the line again and have his butt kicked by America Chavez and then killed by the Maker.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:10:13 AM

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121671: Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:10:37 PM

Ew, disgusting.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121672: Oct 3rd 2020 at 7:21:59 PM

God the Millar Ultimates comic broke an arm patting itself on the back for that line

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121673: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:47:52 PM

Millar admitted to being shocked when people told him how Ultimate Steve Rogers made them want to join the army since the character was supposed to be a jab at that kind of American jingoism and xenophobia.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121674: Oct 3rd 2020 at 8:50:20 PM

Even before the MCU, the Ultimate Avengers Cap, that of the animated movies for video, already had reached a nice balance between Comics!Ultimate Cap and 616 Steve.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121675: Oct 3rd 2020 at 9:11:47 PM

Wait I thought it was Fury who praised Cap for how much of a "hilarious" line it was.

What other cringy stuff has Ultimate Cap said?

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