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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121576: Oct 1st 2020 at 11:54:02 PM

I like time travel bullshit, myself.

... I just like the idea of an eldritch supergod more.

But admittedly, on second thought Shuma might not be the best Big Bad for the entire MCU. Due to the nature of his character (he's not the kind of villain you defeat by punching him the face or blowing up an army) he might be best saved for the mystically inclined characters. Give us a movie where Strange, Scarlet Witch, whoever the next Black Panther is going to be and maybe Thor find out an elder god has designs on their realm, and fight back.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 11:54:24 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121577: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:03:04 AM

Does Marvel have a named magic team, like how DC has the Shadowpact?

I can think of a number of magical characters that tend to work together like Dr. Strange, Jericho Drumm, Scarlet Witch, and Illyana but I don't think they've ever been formalized as a team.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121578: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:10:19 AM

Not Marvel but I’m reminded that Raven would do really well on Justice League Dark.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:10:28 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121579: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:11:02 AM

[up][up][up]Shuma's basically Dormammu, but on a whole 'nother level. (...yes I've got that damn Jojo torture dance music stuck in my head now)

Edited by M84 on Oct 3rd 2020 at 3:11:14 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121580: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:37:21 AM

[up][up][up] While not everyone in the group was mystical or cosmic, the Defenders (the original, not the version that's basically a renamed Heroes For Hire) was basically like that. They specialized in strange, magical or cosmic threats, so fought eldritch villains and the like.

There's also the Midnight Sons or the Legions of Monsters - the groups that include guys like Werewolf By Night and such.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:39:52 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121581: Oct 2nd 2020 at 1:43:00 AM

What exactly is Shuma Gorath's deal? What is his motivation and who is his main hero?

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121582: Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:05:32 AM

[up]Shuma-Gorath's essentially a Lovecraftian Horror who willfully embraces evil (so a lot like Nyarlathotep I guess). His sole motivation is to fuck with people on a cosmic scale. He shows up to play god in a universe and sets about making it a complete hellhole. He doesn't even kill his victims most of the time - that'd be too easy. Instead, he either makes them sacrifice their own children to him (like what he did to the Imperator's home dimension) or he kills Death in a universe so that it becomes an immortal cancerous mess.

He's one of Doctor Strange's iconic foes alongside Dormammu, except he's way worse.

One of the most twisted things about Shuma-Gorath is that if you somehow manage to kill him, he'll just regenerate. If you used his own power to kill him, he'll reincarnate using you as a host.

Shuma-Gorath actually originally appeared as a Conan villain back when Marvel made Conan comics. Shuma-Gorath's a big enough threat that the Grim God Crom - a god who normally despises prayers and refuses to do anything for mortals since he thinks giving them life and willpower is good enough - will intervene to stop him.

This quote from Shuma-Gorath sums up his character:

"So thou knowest the essence of Shuma-Gorath, eh, Doctor Strange? Aye — evil! Ancient, timeless... patient... evil! And Shuma-Gorath doth know thee."

Edited by M84 on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:12:12 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121583: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:05:55 AM

To summarize:

Comic Fans: Shuma-Gorath is spiteful, monstrous Eldritch Abomination who hates life and everything in it. He'll resort to the worst types of torture to satisfy his own sadistic desires. You can't kill him. You can't stop him. The best you can do is delay him and hope to god that he finds something else to do with his time. Consider yourself lucky is Shuma-Gorath only wants you dead.

Marvel vs. Capcom Fans: Hahaha, funny octopus man go squish.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121584: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:06:47 AM

I have actually been wondering about the Midnight Sons in the MCU. They're another logical step forward if the MCU wants to branch out from the Avengers: darker, mystical and more urban fantasy to differentiate themselves from The Avengers brand and expand the whole business. Basically the MCU doing the Justice League Dark niche before DC too. Plus a killer, marketable name.

The membership of the Midnight Sons also isn't that far off from being here. Doctor Strange is already out and about, Blade is allegedly on his way and so is Moon Knight. Ideally you'd basically need Ghost Rider and you're booked.

Curiously some other famous members are also getting adaptations but through less MCU-friendly methods (Morbius at Sony, Hellstrom at the sadly defunct Hulu-Marvel partnership).

Everyone would want to see Midnight Sons walking up to face Shuma-Gorath like:

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121585: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:17:17 AM

They need at least one female. Maybe Elsa Bloodstone, if they don't want to save her for a Nextwave movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121586: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:30:51 AM

They could pull in Gabriel Luna's Ghost Rider from Agents of Shield and the abandoned Ghost Rider project.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#121587: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:31:23 AM

@Chasemaddigan: "Gallifrey Falls?" "No More?" No, it's "Gallifrey falls no more!"

Maybe I'm blind, but where exactly in the WV trailer are Monica's eyes glowing? I'm trying to keep my eye on her, but I'm not noticing.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121588: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:35:29 AM

I presume they'd use Scarlet Witch to fill that quota as well.

With a membership of:

  • Blade
  • Elsa Bloodstone
  • Moon Knight
  • Doctor Strange
  • Scarlet Witch

You get a pretty solid Midnight Sons line-up.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121589: Oct 2nd 2020 at 8:43:10 AM

Will they keep Elsa Bloodstone or will she just be Bloodstone?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121590: Oct 2nd 2020 at 9:07:35 AM

My feeling is that insofar as any Bloodstone has any public awareness at all its Elsa, because she was in Ultimate Alliance 3

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121591: Oct 2nd 2020 at 12:23:46 PM

I mean the jokes about Elsa being in the MCU will write themselves from day 1

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121593: Oct 2nd 2020 at 1:58:34 PM

Ahaha he is going 616 this time.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121594: Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:03:17 PM

Nice.

The legend has returned.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121595: Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:05:54 PM

[up][up][up] Seems we have another reason to get excited. If we're talking designs, I'm honestly hoping for something like his costume from The Spectacular Spider-Man.

Side note: Foxx's instagram post also has some very evidently fan-made images teasing the possible "multiverse" thing, but that's probably just him poking fun. Maybe.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:14:21 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#121596: Oct 2nd 2020 at 2:12:15 PM

Nah, I want the classic costume.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121597: Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:50:58 PM

I really love his costume in Spider-Man PS 4. If he had something like that, I'd be down.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121598: Oct 2nd 2020 at 3:52:20 PM

The new Infamous looks good

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#121600: Oct 2nd 2020 at 5:04:08 PM

Nothing againts Jaime, but hoped that there would be a villain about the same age as Spidey for once.

And was hoping it would be Electro. I loved his desing in the PS 4 game, has the look of a school shooter, and thought a villain like that could be implemented and explored in a sequel.


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