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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121551: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:43:05 PM

I doubt Vulture is coming back as Vulture, but Toomes may show up in some capacity in a later Spidey flick (or big crossover event). Was Shocker ever captured? If he's still on the loose, he totally could pop up later.

I think Gyllenhaal's Mysterio is dead for sure, but a successor or LMD or whatever could be brought in as the plot demands.

Edited by MileRun on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:43:37 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121552: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:54:09 PM

I imagine Vulture will be showing up as part of the Sinister Six, but eventually his sympathetic side will win out and he will undertake a Heel–Face Turn, at which point yadda yadda he dies while saving Spidey and/or ensuring the defeat of the rest of the Six.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121553: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:25:17 PM

I feel like the Doctor Strange sequel is going to cause all this interdimensional weirdness.

The legend has returned.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121554: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:31:50 PM

Kind of. We're definitely going to see the Dream Dimension, since Nightmare has pretty long been hinted as the Big Bad of the film. I'm hoping we see the Chaos Dimension as well - if they set up Shuma Gorath as the new Big Bad of the Marvel Universe I will be so happy.

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121555: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:34:32 PM

The next Big Bad of the MCU will hopefully be Doom or Galactus. Both are long overdue to have some justice done to them.

Edit: The Beyonder might be a dark horse that might actually make sense come to think about it.

Edited by AmazingSpiderHam on Oct 1st 2020 at 5:35:20 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121556: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:35:54 PM

> Dream Dimension

better watch out for dream demons..Bill Cipher could be lurking about

what?

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#121557: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:36:57 PM

I mean, Sony's obviously has plans for the Vulture. Did we just forget him showing up in the Morbius trailer?

I don't think I watched the Morbius trailer. If I did, I totally forgot about it.

I imagine Vulture will be showing up as part of the Sinister Six, but eventually his sympathetic side will win out and he will undertake a Heel–Face Turn, at which point yadda yadda he dies while saving Spidey and/or ensuring the defeat of the rest of the Six.

I think that exact thing will happen, but with Prowler, not Vulture.

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#121558: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:39:27 PM

[up][up] If we're talking dream demons, I'd pay good money to see Doctor Strange take on Freddy Kreuger.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121559: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:49:10 PM

Its interesting, if Jaime does return as Electro then that heightens the possibility that actors from the Foxmen might return too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121560: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:54:01 PM

[up][up][up] I dunno. MCU Prowler has so far no interest in supervillainy whatsoever, and sees Vulture and his level of crime as crazy. I more imagine him ending up like a friend in the underworld / informant to Peter.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 5:57:50 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121561: Oct 1st 2020 at 5:55:06 PM

I mean, they could bring back the younger actors from Apocalypse onwards. Give them some good stuff to work with and all.

Since all the original dudes are too old now.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121562: Oct 1st 2020 at 6:04:25 PM

It's such a contrast that MCU Prowler is little more than a disinterested thief while Spider-Verse Prowler was the stuff of nightmares.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121563: Oct 1st 2020 at 6:07:47 PM

One's a by the numbers crook

& the others a veteran supervillain.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 1st 2020 at 6:15:47 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121564: Oct 1st 2020 at 6:25:47 PM

I'm not fond of anyone in the post-DOTFP FOX X-Men lineup (the holdovers from First Class and Days itself are okay though). I'd prefer recasts for those.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#121565: Oct 1st 2020 at 6:30:46 PM

I think MCU Prowler is going to be closer to the original 616 comics Prowler, who tried out two nights of supervillaining, got beat by Spider-man, and then Prowler decided to be a good guy and Spidey's ally from that point onward, even going so far as to dress up as him to cover for Peter Parker.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 1st 2020 at 6:37:25 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121566: Oct 1st 2020 at 7:10:51 PM

In terms of grand villains for the MCU, I have some thoughts:

  • Dormammu: Strange technically beat him once with the Time Stone, but the Time Stone is no more. As a magical foe, he also provides a different take compared to Thanos.
  • Shuma-Gorath: Same as above but with a even more eldritch angle to it.
  • Galactus: The cosmic side of the MCU has a lot of room to grow and a entire movie of the Avengers holding off his herald(s) before Galactus shows up in Part 2 could be sick.
  • Beyonder: They have adapted the Infinity Gauntlet saga, might as well adapt Secret Wars.
  • Masters of Evil/The Thunderbolts: Related to the above point, I think we're at the stage where "evil Avengers" is a pretty easy and fruitful idea that would also give a very interesting upside down spin on the MCU crossover method (i.e we slowly see the villains assembling over the movies instead of the heroes) and an apple to bite for the future director (with a Ensemble Cast of many heroes and villains).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121567: Oct 1st 2020 at 7:16:19 PM

The possibility of Shuma makes me wish Tony was still alive. He would've been perfect as the cocksure man of science who thinks all that elder god stuff is no match for his intellect, delves into terrible eldritch secrets and takes a (temporary) ride on the insanity train.

I guess they could do it with Shuri or Banner, but it just wouldn't feel the same.

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#121568: Oct 1st 2020 at 7:19:30 PM

I'm personally in favor of a "villain Avengers" route, but I think Kang could also be a contender if he is indeed appearing in Ant-Man 3.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121569: Oct 1st 2020 at 7:36:45 PM

The most likely candidates for a new Thanos-level big bad would be Kang, Galactus, the Beyonder (if they're doing Secret Wars (1984)), Doctor Doom, Annihilus (if they're doing Annihilation) or some Thunderbolts/Masters of Evil supervillain group.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121570: Oct 1st 2020 at 7:36:58 PM

People have been saying that it looks like Young Avengers is being built up.

A Thunderbolts/Masters could be a good thing for them to face.

Who claims the role of successor to the Avengers? Sort of deal.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121571: Oct 1st 2020 at 8:43:09 PM

Similar to that, I hope they throw the New Avengers into the mix - the lineup they have now would work well for that team - and the theme of that team was "regular(-ish) people determined to fill the role left behind by the legendary prior team."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 8:45:04 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121572: Oct 1st 2020 at 8:48:25 PM

Who would you want for the new New Avengers team?

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121573: Oct 1st 2020 at 8:56:27 PM

Mostly the comics lineup: Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man, Dr. Strange. Jessica Jones was a reserve member in the comic, but they could add her in too. Then add an addition or two from the current MCU, like Shuri, Jen or Kamala. This might be overstuffing it, but they could even introduce Wolverine in one of their movies.

It's interesting, because most of that team were (except Dr. Strange lol) street level characters - but with very hard hitting powers. And all of them are characters who are best described as people with down to earth lives who live within the crazy world that the superheroes created with all its faults, and want to fight to make it a better place - whereas the classic Avengers were a bit more larger-than-life and didn't have that "everyday life" feel to them.

In this "the Avengers saved the universe, and suddenly vanished" world, it's a cool sense of regular people (and Dr. Strange lol) stepping up to fill the void that I think is perfect for the MCU right now. Especially if they do the Thunderbolts, a team that intentionally presents itself as a flashy, patriotic and larger-than-life to fool the people into thinking they're just like the Avengers.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 9:05:32 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121574: Oct 1st 2020 at 10:04:50 PM

We'll definitely be getting that on a very small scale with Falcon & Winter Soldier, as they'll have John Walker put forth by the US government.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with him-he can easily be played as straight up antagonist, but I imagine he'll most likely end up working with Sam and Bucky in some capacity against Zemo.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121575: Oct 1st 2020 at 11:50:34 PM

I also really want Shuma-Gorath to be the next big MCU Big Bad.

It'll probably be Kang though (friggin' Time Travel bullshit).

Disgusted, but not surprised

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