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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#121526: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:19:15 PM

Between Scorpion in Homecoming (and JJJ providing the perfect set-up for him), Chameleon in Far From Home, Prowler in Homecoming, and now Electro, I'm betting that we are going to get Sinister Six as the 3rd MCU Spider-Man film.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121527: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:26:49 PM

I wonder if his design will be more 616-ish than Amazing’s Ultimate inspired look.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121528: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:51:12 PM

They should just bring back Maguire and Garfield for a Clone Saga movie. That's definitely what the MCU needs right now. A Clone Saga movie.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121529: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:53:33 PM

You don't remember the alleyway scene where Diana saves Steve by deflecting a mugger's bullet with her wristband?

Yeah what does that have to do with Superman?

Diana has the alien part down, the "effectively godlike" part down, and quite a few other elements.

Those aren't exclusive to Superman. Thor also has those elements.

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#121530: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:04:06 PM

That is a specific reference to a scene in Superman: The Movie, except Clark Kent is saving Lois from a mugger.

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#121531: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:05:43 PM

[nja] [up][up]The "stopping the bullet in an alleyway" scene happened in the first Superman Donner movie. The only difference is that Clark actually catches the bullet instead of deflecting it (oh, and Lois does not realise what he did and thinks stupid Clark simply fainted, as always).

Edited by C105 on Oct 1st 2020 at 11:06:02 AM

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121532: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:06:12 PM

Yeah what does that have to do with Superman?

I don't agree that the WW movie was a gender-flipped SM movie, but this scene in particular was a direct homage to a catch-a-bullet-in-an-alley scene in the Christopher Reeve Superman movies.

EDIT: Wow I am slow but I'll make up for it by posting the clip

Edited by MileRun on Oct 1st 2020 at 2:07:23 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121533: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:07:47 PM

When given the right material, Foxx can deliver some fantastic (haha) performances, so tweaking Electro a bit to make him a better fit for the current Spider Man movies should turn out well.

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#121534: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:12:02 PM

That's definitely what the MCU needs right now. A Clone Saga movie.

Now all we need is somebody to play Judas Traveller and a nonsense plot involving virtual reality, and we're good to go!

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121535: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:16:07 PM

Sony going cray-cray on the multiverse concept makes sense, as the animated one got them an oscar.

Having two movies with the exact same premise happening at the same time is not your typical business decision, since that's just asking for one to take attention away from the other, and you get more appeal by spreading your net wide. If someone's going to make that mistake, let your competitors do it. Even if Marvel Studios wanted to do it (which I don't think is too likely), Sony especially would probably want to put the kibosh on it.

This also applies to tv and such. It's why, for instance, everyone who thought they would be bringing back Teen Titans 2003 while Young Justice is still ongoing were barking up the wrong tree.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 2:16:47 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121536: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:16:44 PM

I still remember that god awful music theme Electro had in TASM2.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 1st 2020 at 11:16:55 AM

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121537: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:21:44 PM

I'm all up for Foxx being given a chance with a better script, but if they're ever doing the Sinister Six they need a Doctor Octopus or Norman Osborn calling the shots. Simply tossing Electro, Morbius, Vulture, Scorpion, Prowler and Mysterio or Shocker together is unlikely to work because none of those characters cut it as strong enough leader figures.

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#121538: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:28:48 PM

Vulture is a better Sinister Six boss figure than Norman if you ask me. Vulture was a founding member of the Six after all.

The guy we're missing though is Kraven. Him and Sandman are the only founding member not here, and Kraven's cinematic debut is long overdue.

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AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121539: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:34:55 PM

What is Thomas Hayden Church doing nowadays?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121540: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:39:59 PM

I'd be down with an MCU Doc Ock.

The Sinister Six has always been more of an Ock thing than a Goblin thing, and... I dunno. Even knowing that none of the movies have really adapted a comics-style Norman the same way the MCU definitely would, but... I dunno. I'd be fine with Norman taking a backseat for a while, or maybe being saved for a Dark Reign film.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121541: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:49:55 PM

Based on what we could find on SM3 and assuming the Sinister Six really do assemble in that movie, we got this hypothetical roster for them:

  • Possible Roster 1:
    • Vulture
    • Shocker
    • Scorpion
    • Mysterio
    • Electro
    • Kraven

But! Assuming Mysterio is gone for good after FFH and Sony wants some tie-in to their quasi-canon SUMC, then we have this:

  • Possible Roster 2:
    • Vulture
    • Shocker
    • Scorpion
    • Venom (or Morbius)
    • Electro
    • Kraven

Granted, Morbius was never really an S6 member, but the fifth incarnation of the team actually had Venom as a member, so there's precedent for him to be a member should Mysterio truly be out of the picture.

That said, Venom in his 2018 movie doubled down on him being more hero than "anti-hero", so unless he somehow gets convinced that Spidey is a terrorist, the first roster might be more plausible.

Also, it's entirely possible that Foxx is just playing a rebooted Electro, not the one from ASM2, like how J.K. Simmons played a rebooted Jameson in FFH. Yeah, the fact that SM3 is planned for release between WV and MoM makes the theory fun to think of, but we might be overwhelming ourselves with it.

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#121542: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:51:29 PM

I'd love to see MCU Doc Ock, difficult though Alfred Molina's performance will be to top.

Doc Ock's my favorite of Spidey's rogues.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121543: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:51:56 PM

Ah the dream gets closer.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#121544: Oct 1st 2020 at 2:57:15 PM

Yeah, I have no issue with the Electro return, but I assume it's just a new version and not somehow the old one returning.

Sinister Six is looking increasingly likely. It'd probably be simpler if they leave the SUMC out of it though. If Sinister Six is the entire plot of a movie, they could also maybe introduce a new villain in that movie; just justify it with them making a bit of a name for themselves off-screen between movies but not clashing with any big heroes yet. And/or maybe another customer of Vulture/Tinkerer. Clearly there is only one obvious option.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121545: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:02:21 PM

Multiverse Sinister Six incoming.

Also worth noting in those leaked Sony emails from 2014, Feige apparently liked Foxx as Electro and felt the writing and direction ultimately let the character down. He specifically said he felt the character started off sympathetic and then later scenes made him too creepy and stalkerish. So maybe he wanted to give him a second shot.

Edited by comicwriter on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:04:09 AM

AmazingSpiderHam Since: Sep, 2020
#121546: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:04:29 PM

IIRC the Noodle Incident that forced Brock move from New York to San Francisco even before the events of Venom was never specified upon, so if they want to retcon some involvement of Spider-Man into those events of Eddie's backstory, I suppose they could do it. Like, this Brock might not be obsessed with Peter but still might have a reason to dislike and distrust him.

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#121547: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:05:16 PM

@Targetmaster Joe

What about Prowler and Chameleon, who were set up in the previous two films?

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:05:55 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121548: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:15:12 PM

@ AmazingSpiderHam: That's good, I really like that.

@ PushoverMediaCritic: Shoot, I actually forgot about those two... I guess if Kraven can't happen, then Prowler could work too. I'm not sure how to squeeze Chameleon in, though.

Dang it, I also forgot Doc Ock. Yeah, I wouldn't know how to squeeze him in either.

EDIT: Ha, apparently Jamie Foxx might have teased about this all the way back in July...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 1st 2020 at 6:18:12 AM

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#121549: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:39:14 PM

Well, for one, I don't think that Mysterio, Vulture, or Shocker are coming back.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:39:59 AM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#121550: Oct 1st 2020 at 3:42:20 PM

I mean, Sony's obviously has plans for the Vulture. Did we just forget him showing up in the Morbius trailer?

We did? I'm not surprised.


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