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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121501: Sep 30th 2020 at 9:02:48 PM

[up][up] Basically, something that I always thought was a shame about older and more traditional superhero movies was how... in a vacuum they tend to be. Like the Raimi Spider-Man films - you get the impression that nothing interesting happens in Spider-Man's life until the day we decide to start watching, and in a superhero universe one of the coolest things is that there's always something going on.

I love superhero movies that imply that the world is reacting to what the heroes are doing, even if they don't necessarily affect the plot the hero is going through. Stuff like the bit about other countries trying to replicate Iron Man tech, or Cross making deals with HYDRA (I really wish Ant-Man had kept that Zola cameo), etc and so on.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#121502: Sep 30th 2020 at 9:04:38 PM

I did always find it funny in Spider-Man 3 how Harry Osborne deciding to enact his revenge scheme, a criminal from Spider-Man's past unexpectedly getting superpowers, and a meteor carrying an alien lifeform striking down in Central Park all happened at the same time.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#121503: Sep 30th 2020 at 9:07:00 PM

[up][up] I'm reminded how in The Dark Knight the Joker had the really cool line "This city is in need of a better class of criminals" indicating that Joker represents the full arrival of masked supervillains but the effect of the speech is diluted since Bat goes straight into retirement after Knight ends.

Meaning he never fought anyone in the time between Joker/Two-Face & Bane.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 30th 2020 at 9:08:39 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121504: Oct 1st 2020 at 4:41:34 AM

Heck, Carol outright says "I have nothing to prove to you" when Yon-Rogg tries challenging her.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#121505: Oct 1st 2020 at 4:45:14 AM

@Known Unknown. Same, I do like super hero stories that have the world reacting to super heroes.

Like Ultimate Spider Man the OG one had like a film studio trying to capitalize on the rise of superheroes and made a movie of Spider Man, complete with filming his fight with Doc Ock, or when Kingpin trolls Spidey by taking advantage of his popularity and merchandising him with the web head being unable to stop it.

Or that story arc in Batman with the colony trying to mimic the success of Batman for use in military applications.

Is there like a trope that is what we are describing.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 1st 2020 at 7:46:23 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121506: Oct 1st 2020 at 4:48:39 AM

And Spidey couldn't actually sue Kingpin for it unless he was willing to expose his own identity in court.

Disgusted, but not surprised
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#121507: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:07:44 PM

Okaaaaaay....

So.... this happened. Guess the MCU Spider-Man side is the nexus of all realities.

Edited by Akirakan on Oct 1st 2020 at 2:08:48 PM

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
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#121508: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:08:56 PM

Hmm, while Jamie Foxx is back as Electro, do you guys think his backstory will change in this version?

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121509: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:14:25 PM

Foxx is a decent actor, but didn’t everyone hate ASM 2?

XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#121510: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:22:04 PM

It's kind of funny how he just brought up that MCU Spidey was generally doing fine with adapting villains without a previous live-action appearance.

Still, if Foxx has a stronger script this time, he might as well have a similar turn around like Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:31:31 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121511: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:23:08 PM

Foxx is a decent actor, but didn’t everyone hate ASM2?

Well, aside from that montage of Peter balancing normal and Spidey life, yeah, it was pretty much reviled.

I mean, J.K. Simmons as JJJ? Fine, but Jamie Foxx coming back as Electro?! Between Morbius and the MCU's Spider-Man 3, are they really going to bring in the Sinister Six?! surprised

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:24:13 PM

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#121512: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:25:11 PM

They're gonna milk the SpiderVerse for all it's worth. Foxx is a great actor, so they can tweak and retool his Electro into something good.

Cliche as it was, I kinda did like his origin, it was just stupidly rushed because WE NEED BAD GUYS.

Edited by MrSeyker on Oct 1st 2020 at 12:25:29 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121513: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:31:30 PM

I'm actually rather serious about the Sinister Six thing. Look:

  • Vulture and Shocker (Homecoming)
  • Mysterio (Far From Home)
  • Electro (SM3)

If Morbius and Venom: Let There Be Carnage end up teasing Morbius and Venom as members, then bam! We have a viable roster for the Sinister Six! (Or if Morbius doesn't do the tease, then switch him with Scorpion, who appeared in Homecoming.)

Disney and Sony must've come up with one hell of a deal...

Still, if Foxx has a stronger script this time, he might as well have a similar turn around like Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool.

Well, Marvel Studios are the ones actually making the Spidey movies, so you might be more right than you think.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:32:48 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121514: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:37:28 PM

My problems with Electro were all because of the writing, rather than the acting, so this is fine by me.

I still maintain that the first third or so (and only the first third or so) of ASM 1 is fantastic, and pretty much everything about Electro leading up to his fight with Spider-Man at Times Square was great.

... and then it started to go very downhill, but that wasn't Jamie Foxx' fault. He played a fine Max Dillon when he was given good material.

[up] Don't forget they set up Scorpion. And, since I know someone else is going to bring it up, there's a minor character named after Scorpion in Far From Home, though he's a good guy.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 1st 2020 at 12:39:54 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121515: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:39:18 PM

If Electro turns out to be the same character as in the other movie, this could lead to a Spider-verse.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121516: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:42:41 PM

I'm glad. If any Spider-Man villain needed a double dip, it was Jamie Foxx Electro.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#121517: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:43:11 PM

I remember not really being a fan of Foxx as Electro, or more specifically his performance as Max Dillon. As Electro, he was fine. As Max, I found his portrayal way too cartoonish and OTT to take him seriously. He seemed to invoke Jim Carrey as Edward Nygma in his performance, and I couldn't really sympathize with him as a Tragic Villain. His performance actually becomes a lot subtler once he becomes a glowing supervillain with lightning powers.

But it has been a while since I last saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2. I may have to rewatch it again to reevaluate my opinions on his performance. I think separated from TASM2, I think he can turn in a good performance.

So yeah, I have no idea what to make of this news. I think this is just going to be Foxx playing a different incarnation, unless Sony's really going to lean into Spider-Verse shenanigans. Maybe this is just an attempt to fill out contractual obligations that were made before the Amazing Spider-Man series was cancelled?

Edited by chasemaddigan on Oct 1st 2020 at 3:46:10 PM

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Goku Black
#121518: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:46:53 PM

Being fair to Fox. I think a lot of it was the rushed bad writing of the film. If he'd been the only villain and then more time could have been spent on fleshing h in out.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121519: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:49:50 PM

He'll get nice snazzy coustume,bright yellow thunderbolts featuring heavily I hope

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121520: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:51:04 PM

Yeah, I don't think this is going to be Spider-Verse either. The set up isn't right for it, the time isn't right for it, and there's already a current series of a Spider-Verse movies so there wouldn't be a point.

Most likely he's just playing a different version of the same character. I'm not even sure we should assume Electro will be the main villain at this point.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121521: Oct 1st 2020 at 12:52:38 PM

If Electro turns out to be the same character as in the other movie, this could lead to a Spider-verse.

As I recall, there was an arc in that Web-Warriors series (Spider-Gwen, Spider-Ham, Spider-Girl, and a few others) where a version of Electro learned to travel to alternate dimensions and teamed up with a version of himself who was super successful (and smart) but didn't have his powers in order....I think take over the multiverse or something. I can't quite recall.

Not sure how he did it, but it's been stated that Max is stupid powerful, and just doesn't know how to use that power to its full potential. He's apparently on par with Magneto.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121522: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:03:29 PM

Wonder Woman was definitely good but struck a very different tone, being a Gender Flip of Superman more than anything

How was it a gender flip of Superman?

Like the Raimi Spider-Man films - you get the impression that nothing interesting happens in Spider-Man's life until the day we decide to start watching, and in a superhero universe one of the coolest things is that there's always something going on.

I think this is due to the Raimi movies being self-contained and not really being much of a superhero universe aside from Spider-Man and a few villains being in it.

I'm reminded how in The Dark Knight the Joker had the really cool line "This city is in need of a better class of criminals" indicating that Joker represents the full arrival of masked supervillains but the effect of the speech is diluted since Bat goes straight into retirement after Knight ends.

I think that speech was more about the Joker than any other villains coming to Gotham.

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Lost in Space
#121523: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:11:16 PM

How was it a gender flip of Superman?

You don't remember the alleyway scene where Diana saves Steve by deflecting a mugger's bullet with her wristband? Diana has the alien part down, the "effectively godlike" part down, and quite a few other elements.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#121524: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:15:39 PM

The 'timing' of a live-action Spider-Verse movie would be right enough, Wandavision will bleed into Doctor Strange II, and that will probably bleed into this if possible. Sony going cray-cray on the multiverse concept makes sense, as the animated one got them an oscar. The comic books have even made Spider-Man the champion of their multiverse.

Edited by Zarius on Oct 1st 2020 at 1:16:39 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121525: Oct 1st 2020 at 1:17:43 PM

Electro in TASM 2 was one of the few parts I liked, but I’m pretty shocked to see him back.

...pun not intended but I’ll keep it. tongue


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