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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#121376: Sep 25th 2020 at 4:12:25 PM

The joke is Keanu Reeves might be a Vampire, but he never played one to my knowledge. He did play Jonathan Harker (so, Dracula's enemy) in Coppola's Dracula.

Blade's rogues gallery basically amounts to: Dracula and Deacon Frost. Reeves could play either with some grace but honestly, just have him play Johnny Blaze for God's sake. It even fits like a glove with Reeves's affection for motorcycles.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#121377: Sep 25th 2020 at 4:19:57 PM

I thought Moon Knight had David Radcliffe playing as him.

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#121378: Sep 25th 2020 at 4:28:34 PM

Considering half the films these actors are being looked at for don't even have posters or concept art yet, I'd take every announcement like that with a grain of salt.

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#121379: Sep 25th 2020 at 4:58:53 PM

If they do do a ghost rider thing I hope Gabriel Luna as Robbie Reyes is the lead but I won’t say no to Keanu as Johnny Blaze in such a project

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#121380: Sep 25th 2020 at 5:02:22 PM

Alternatively, they could bring Nicolas Cage back as Johnny Blaze and claim the previous Ghost Rider films happened in Broad Strokes.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#121381: Sep 25th 2020 at 5:40:16 PM

Or make Nick Cage the original Ghost Rider that transfers his powers over to someone else, like Sam Elliott in the original movie.

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121382: Sep 25th 2020 at 7:04:33 PM

The Keanu Moon Knight thing sounds very unlikely.

I doubt they will hire an A-list actor to star in a series about a secondary hero.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121383: Sep 25th 2020 at 7:09:54 PM

I like the idea of multiple Ghost Riders in a movie or show.

Regarding Moon Knight, I guess I can see Reeves, but in terms of him being Jewish, I really do hope that aspect is kept. Ditto other canonically Jewish characters should they appear (i.e. Kasper Cole, Hulkling, Kitty Pryde, Magneto, Songbird, and Ben Grimm).

Being Jewish myself, I'd like to see some representation. At least in terms of characterization. I'm not really picky in terms of the actor's religion.

At some point I came across a suggestion of Adam Driver for Moon Knight, which I like. I know he played a Jewish character in Black Klansman and I think has in something else too. And Driver has this kind of "thing" of looking heroic but with a certain "weirdness", which is basically why he was cast as Kylo Ren. And that definitely fits with Moon Knight as well.

Semi-OT, but either Moonknight and/or Cole really needs to have a scene where someone makes fun of their costume totally lacking in camouflage, and they reply something like "I want them to see me." Which I'm 99% sure is an actual Moon Knight quote in some form.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 25th 2020 at 9:14:45 AM

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#121384: Sep 25th 2020 at 7:19:08 PM

Note: Adam Driver is not actually Jewish. But he does have a tendency to be cast as characters of Jewish descent. Raises a couple of questions. tongue

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121385: Sep 25th 2020 at 7:27:04 PM

I think the other one is the tv show Girls, which I've never seen, but I know was his first major role.

There's also a sort of Watsonian argument that Kylo Ren is Jewish, because both Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford are.

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#121386: Sep 25th 2020 at 7:29:21 PM

And one could count Marriage Story, with the interpretation of his character being a stand-in for Noah Baumbach.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#121387: Sep 25th 2020 at 9:39:51 PM

Reading the actual source, it's pretty deceitful. The Illuminerdi speculates that is going to be Keanu since the casting description fits him and is well known that there were previous talks between Reeves and Marvel (he was originally courted to play Yon-Rogg). It explicitly states that there are no talks between them to play MK, but that Marvel does have him in mind to play a role in the MCU.

What surprises me more is the description saying they're looking for a male in his 40-50's. I expected someone in his mid-30's, early 40's at best.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
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#121388: Sep 25th 2020 at 9:46:08 PM

I'd certainly welcome an older superhero protagonist. Logan's the only other superhero movie that's like that, right?

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#121389: Sep 26th 2020 at 7:28:33 AM

Explicitly the caharcter being a older hero? Well, there's Batman too, both in Rises and Snyder's take.

There plenty of actors in their 40-50's playing characters much younger characters (Paul Rudd is 51, was 45 in Ant-Man).

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121390: Sep 26th 2020 at 9:12:15 AM

[up]I remember at first I didn't like Ben Affleck just because of his age.

I was not convinced that the "new" Batman was older than the "Old"

Speaking of Ghost Rider, assuming it shares continuity with the series, Johnny must be old enough to have been an adult when he shared the curse on Robbie.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 26th 2020 at 9:25:08 AM

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#121391: Sep 26th 2020 at 9:41:39 AM

Paul rudd though doesn't look 50. Like shit u would peg him as being in his 30's.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121392: Sep 26th 2020 at 9:47:50 AM

Paul Rudd is famous for being Younger Than They Look in general, which is why he can easily pass as a father of a young child.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 26th 2020 at 12:48:08 PM

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#121393: Sep 26th 2020 at 9:52:10 AM

Uh tbf him having a kid in his late 30's (going off cassies age) wouldn't have been too weird. My parents had me at the same time.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121394: Sep 28th 2020 at 4:00:46 PM

Somewhat Marvel related:

Apparently Disney has moved their next D23 Expo to September 9-11, 2022.

I almost thought it'd be an online expo so they can counter the DC FanDome event, but...okay. tongue

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#121395: Sep 28th 2020 at 7:44:33 PM

I really want the MCU to do a joke about how weird it is that New York still has so much crime when it's home to dozens of superheroes. Granted, I do realize that the movies have no problem basing stories in other places.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#121396: Sep 28th 2020 at 8:04:55 PM

[up] In terms of the films I think only Spider-Man and Doctor Strange are currently based in New York City itself since the Avengers moved upstate.

Doctor Strange obviously doesn't deal with crime in the conventional sensenote , and Spider-Man isn't going to stop crime all by himself in a city the size of NYC.

The Netflix heroes change the equation somewhat if we include them, but again New York City is a massive city. Well under a dozen street level heroes can only cover so much ground in a city with 20 million people in the metropolitan area.

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#121397: Sep 28th 2020 at 8:21:37 PM

Even in the comics there are very few "street-level" heroes. There's Spidey, Daredevil (and he operates almost entirely in Hell's Kitchen), the Heroes for Hire like Power-Man...I hesitate to count the Punisher since he's not really a "hero".

Edited by M84 on Sep 28th 2020 at 11:22:05 PM

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#121398: Sep 28th 2020 at 8:39:20 PM

[up]Just knowing there is at least 1 guy who will straight up shoot me if he see's me doing a crime would deter me more than most.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121399: Sep 28th 2020 at 8:41:58 PM

Netflix Punisher was a lot more heroic than most versions anyway.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 28th 2020 at 8:42:12 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121400: Sep 28th 2020 at 8:42:17 PM

[up][up][up][up] Also, we may need to keep in mind that the Netflix shows are kinda not really regarded as strict canon at this point?

Mostly because those were from Jeph Loeb and I think Feige would rather jump rope with his legs tied up and his eyes blindfolded than to weave anything by Loeb into the more important side of the MCU.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 28th 2020 at 11:42:52 AM


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