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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
He wouldn't be a nobody exactly, but a Department H agent.
Too complete the reference they should also throw in Wendigo.
But he's more interesting when he doesn't, like in Immortal Hulk
Edited by Cortez on Sep 21st 2020 at 5:17:54 AM
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Weirdly, the royal family didn't seem to do anything that could be considered actually responsible for what happened.
The Kree just got a chip in their shoulder like they always do and decided to kill off all the Inhumans and then harvest the royal family for parts.
When that didn't work, they instead tried to get Captain Marvel to kill the Avengers so they could harvest them for parts.
And that's why Vox is a terrible villain.
@Mutants: I'd like if there were some references in other movies but mutants were introduced through a viewpoint character like Rogue was back in the day having their powers awaken and going on a journey to try to figure out whats going on with them.
I'd be good with Nighcrawler or Kitty Pryde. Nightcrawler is a little harder because he was like he is his whole life.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI think you're thinking of Voyager
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Vox is. Uh. He sure is a character design.
Forgotten Avenger was Avengers: No Surrender
And Vox was from Death of the Inhumans but also showed up for an arc of Captain Marvel.
Edited by Bocaj on Sep 21st 2020 at 6:03:08 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI kind of feel the opposite. They totally can introduce Mutants in a movie about Mutants (ie. probably an X-Men movie), and have the fact that Mutants are only recently being recognized as a demographic be the impetus for the plot. That's how most movies work: the audience immediately accepts the existence of Whatever The Movie Is About. Really, that's how most of the concepts in the MCU were introduced too; there was no need to foreshadow the existence of Pym Particles to lead into Ant-Man.
The MCU eases things into the universe in the sense that it doesn't mash concepts together until they've been properly introduced, not in the sense that the proper introduction of each concept needs to be drawn out of multiple movies.
She's really only appeared in Avengers No Surrender and Avengers No Road Home but I quite like her and wouldn't object if she became a member of the team in an ongoing.
She has a neat design, a neat powerset, and she's tied into Avengers history
This is offtopic though.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersWanda will say: "No more New Mutants", ejecting it from the MCU canon forever.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 21st 2020 at 3:45:18 AM
I'm generally of the view that the existence of mutants in the MCU can't simply be declared, but all that really means is that "where were they all this time?" is a question the first movie that includes them will have to directly address.
My personal preference would be for mutants to have always been a thing, but so astonishingly rare that no one has really treated them as a distinct category of powered individuals. However something in the recent-ish past (it could be something already in the MCU, or an event we are made aware of in a future film) caused the mutant population to dramatically increase.
The mechanism could be that historically the mutant gene was only active in a tiny percentage of the people who carried it, but the event had environmental effects that caused a large percentage of the people with the gene to start manifesting powers.
This lets us "have our cake and eat it to" so to speak. We can still have historical mutants when there's a compelling enough reason to (ie Wolverine can still be centuries old, Magneto can still be a Holocaust survivor, etc.) but it's plausible why the MCU hasn't touched on them before despite having a large population of modern mutants.
Edited by Falrinn on Sep 21st 2020 at 3:45:58 AM
If T'challa is recast it probably won't happen because Nakia was well-received; if Shuri becomes the new Black Panther then it probably still won't happen because Disney wouldn't show Storm be openly into women.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 21st 2020 at 3:55:28 AM
That's how self contained movies work, yes, but the ability to do this actually decreases when you're writing an installment within a universe with a previously established (and ongoing) continuity.
That there is already a universe in which the characters exists means that the movie doesn't just need to introduce the concept like a regular movie does, but also pull double duty explaining how the concept fits into the universe, why it was no longer present in the universe, and account for how it connects.
This isn't too hard for someone like Ant-Man whose world consists of a single recluse scientist who invented supertech. It becomes singificantly harder for something like X-Men with the premise that people all over the world have superpowers and everything in the world is changing into something completely different because of it.
This is, for instance, why you don't lead with the Avengers. They could have assumed that the audience will accept the existence of all these heroes and SHIELD and two different alien species one of which is one of the heroes', but it would've been likely to fail (hence DC's failure with Justice League) and make it difficult for the plot to juggle those concepts. Or to give a more recent example, it's one of the reason the newer Star Wars films' habit of occasionally throwing big new concepts at the screen didn't go over very well.
That's why the Marvel approach exists, and why it works. Gradually introducing larger scale, immense concepts in minor ways allows for both the universe to accommodate them, and for later movies to utilize those concepts without the need to make the universe accommodate them before telling the story they wish to tell.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2020 at 5:13:47 AM
I don't think that's very likely, mostly because it doesn't look like the Dr. Strange sequel is using the term "multiverse" to mean what people think it means. They're basically using what the comics call "dimensions/realms," but calling it a multiverse because it sounds cooler even though that has very different connotations.
It's like when they called Heroes for Hire "The Defenders," and some people got confused for a bit about whether Hulk or Dr. Strange would be showing up.
A lot of people are thinking "they're going to go to alternate universes where X character exists / it's going to be an Enter The Spider-Verse situations" but the word we've gotten so far is more to the tune of going to the Dream Dimension and meeting/fighting Nightmare and stuff like that.
Granted, that's Marvel Studios' fault for being weird with the terms they use.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2020 at 5:20:31 AM

Which is massively unfair. Why are these guys dying for the crimes of the royal family? It's not the Nuhumans fault they were created for a dumb reason, but they (barring Kamala and Luna) sure get to be the ones who pay for it.
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