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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121201: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:23:56 AM

I'd rather have it end like this.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#121202: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:28:56 AM

Remember when people joked how House of M should've ended with Wanda saying "No, more mutants" instead of "No more mutants"? I wonder if the MCU will actually use that as an opportunity to bring mutants into the series.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#121203: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:31:07 AM

[up][up]Hell nah, Scarlet Witch is my favorite female hero in the MCU, I wanted her to get the first solo female-led MCU film, before even Black Widow. I love Carol, but Wanda's my favorite. I want her to stay as a major character in the MCU for years more.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 21st 2020 at 11:31:31 AM

MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121204: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:31:53 AM

[up][up]I don't think they would do that. All the important continuity stuff in the MCU so far has originated in the movies and trickled into the TV shows, not the other way around.

Edited by MileRun on Sep 21st 2020 at 11:32:24 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121205: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:33:45 AM

Burn the witch!

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121206: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:34:42 AM

I don't think Monica's eyes were glowing, that's just her eyeshadow.tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121207: Sep 21st 2020 at 11:39:14 AM

What’s funny is that panel is Rogue screwing up everything forever

Because everyone but especially Rogue was insufferable in early uncanny avengers

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 21st 2020 at 2:39:42 PM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121208: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:09:44 PM

I don't think they would do that. All the important continuity stuff in the MCU so far has originated in the movies and trickled into the TV shows, not the other way around.

You say that, but all MCU shows made for Disney+ are said to factor into the movies, lest we forget that Doctor Strange in The Multiverse of Madness will picking up the pieces from WandaVision.

That said, I'd expect mutants to be established via some cosmic stuff like Eternals. (Mutantkind started with the Eternals, right?)

Or maybe it will start with WandaVision after all? It's so hard to tell. tongue

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121209: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:11:59 PM

I feel people are overthinking the mutant thing a bit.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#121210: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:14:16 PM

There's a pretty clear difference in how Marvel is treating the Disney+ shows versus how it treated previous MCU shows in the past. The Disney+ shows seem to basically just be mainline MCU films, but with a much longer runtime.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Sep 21st 2020 at 12:14:29 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121211: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:16:35 PM

Amusingly I’m sure if Wanda said “No more Inhumans” less people would have a problem with it than when she said it about Mutants.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121212: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:18:10 PM

[up] The Inhumans were not always as hated as they are now, only since Marvel tried to push them as replacements for the Mutants.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121213: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:18:16 PM

I doubt that the series will end with Wanda wiping out 99% of all mutants like in the comic. The MCU's too kid-friendly for that.

As for introducing mutants, maybe they'll go the "enhanced human" route again, maybe a Terrigen Mist thing like in Ao S. Who knows at this point.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121214: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:25:22 PM

People really want mutants to just materialize in the world a la cosmic retcon, I notice. I don't really think it's necessary, since there is nothing whatsoever stopping them from having mutants just be a thing for a while (if anything, since many mutant characters require having a history to work, it's better overall) and become recently discovered / recognized in-universe, but there's been theories about it for pretty much every major film or tv event in the last few years.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2020 at 12:36:13 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121215: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:33:17 PM

[up][up][up] Exactly now they are due to the immense push they were given.

Inhumans have become something of an acceptable target.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121216: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:36:18 PM

I really doubt we'll get anything relating to mutants in this one.

Maybe with Ms. Marvel, since they could easily make her a mutant and not an Inhuman without too much difficulty. But that's still a long way down the road.

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#121217: Sep 21st 2020 at 12:39:51 PM

The Inhumans in the comics have already been majorly wiped out back to basically the Kirby cast plus some that managed to catch on like Kamala or Lunella.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#121218: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:12:48 PM

The reason I don't think it's likely for WV to introduce mutants is that it's a bit of a hard sell to ask people to watch a whole season of a TV series as preparation for a movie - especially when modern MCU movies tend to draw from at least two prior MCU movies as a baseline these days.

Small references can and probably will happen. For Doctor Strange 2, I'd imagine it would be something like, "Hey Strange, there's been a(n unspecified) disruption in reality that's caused some problems, now we need to fix things using plot devices that may or may not contain easter eggs for the show but ultimately don't require knowledge of the show to make sense as mcguffins." Kind of like Agents of Shield explained how Fury got a helicarrier for Age of Ultron, but the specifics of how Fury got that helicarrier were completely unimportant in the context of Age of Ultron.

Introducing mutants is way too significant of an event to happen in a side-story, though. Marvel will definitely want to hold onto that for the next big Avengers/etc. crisis crossover, or even just for the first Disney X-men movie, whenever that'll happen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121219: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:18:16 PM

They probably won't drop mutants wholesale on us in the next Avengers film either, since those films are more culminations than introductory stories.

Most likely (or at least, the best way forward) is we'll get hints of a rising "gifted" population in individual films, maybe a few mutant characters in ways unrelated to the main X-Men story (like possibly an appearance of Whirlwind in Ant-Man 3, or Mystique in Captain Marvel, a reference to Wolverine being originally a Hulk villain in She-Hulk, etc and so on), and then a movie that's actually about the mutant situation once those building blocks have been established. Helping that build is one of the (several) reasons I think an Alpha Flight movie would be great.

They really shouldn't do "poof, now there's mutants" either literally or figuratively, though. Easing things into the universe is how Marvel has gotten its success so far, there's no reason to stop now.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 21st 2020 at 1:19:09 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#121220: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:29:53 PM

I really like the idea of introducing individual mutants here and there rather than going straight to the X-men.

Honnestly I want Storm and Nightcrawler solo films prior to an X-men film but that seems unlikely.

And oh damn that IS Monica Rambeau in the trailer! Oh I am so excited. Love that gal.

I really do like the idea of Mystique and Rogue debuting in a Captain Marvel film.

Wolverine debuting as a random nobody trying to take down the Hulk would be amazing, but I have no idea when that could happen.

Edited by Whowho on Sep 21st 2020 at 9:33:18 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121221: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:31:21 PM

The Inhumans in the comics have already been majorly wiped out back to basically the Kirby cast plus some that managed to catch on like Kamala or Lunella.

Oh really? Wiped out as in, directly through some sort of cosmic event, or just left to flounder in the background now that their biggest advocates have lost steam, while only the success stories receive a continued push?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121222: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:33:46 PM

I think most of the Nuhumans as in the new Inhumans created during the push were killed off during Death of Inhumans leaving just the classic ensemble.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 21st 2020 at 1:34:08 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121223: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:38:23 PM

Wolverine debuting as a random nobody trying to take down the Hulk would be amazing, but I have no idea when that could happen.

As much as I suspect the Big Bad of She-Hulk will be The Leader, it'd be a cool plot to have a secret semi-government organization trying to hunt down Jennifer and Bruce in She-Hulk, which everyone suspects might be HYDRA or AIM, but then the reveal at the end is that its Weapon X.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#121224: Sep 21st 2020 at 1:41:59 PM

I kind of want the She Hulk series to be kookie courtroom hilarity.

Though The Leader can play into such things, and has in the past.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#121225: Sep 21st 2020 at 2:11:28 PM

I doubt Wanda will be depowering anyone, the context for this show is obviously different.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 21st 2020 at 5:17:37 AM


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