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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121151: Sep 19th 2020 at 6:47:21 AM

GUYS STOP YOUR TURNING PETER INTO AN OLD MAN!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121152: Sep 19th 2020 at 7:57:25 AM

That’s the perils of an ongoing comic with a concept like Mjolnir

Having a character lift it is a quick and easy narrative tool to establish someone is pretty great or for a shock factor

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#121153: Sep 19th 2020 at 9:05:59 PM

At this point, the writers might as well remove the "If they be worthy" clause from Mjilnor because it seems just about anyone can use that hammer.

She wasn't worthy at first, it was only after she used her last bullet to save some fleeing civilians instead of herself did Mjolnir deem her worthy.

And Thor was dead in that universe.

Anyway, Mjolnir has always been picky and it who it deems worthy isn't a constant thing.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 20th 2020 at 3:22:44 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121154: Sep 19th 2020 at 9:10:15 PM

You'd think that since now Thor is the Allfather he'd just do away with the enchantment & just lock the hammer's power onto himself & whomever he deems qualified.

Or just take back his power completely so he is no longer vulnerable if it deems him unworthy though thats only if the hammer is the source of his power & not just an extension of it which can be inconsistent.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121155: Sep 19th 2020 at 9:19:07 PM

Odin became unable to pick it up during the Jane Foster stuff. I think the idea is that Mjolnir has outgrown its programming.

Also, with the whole Gorr stuff it was more that Thor was up in his own head too much about What If? Gorr was right then Mjolnir being like 'i don't like you anymore'

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121156: Sep 19th 2020 at 9:20:24 PM

I think Thor keeps the enchantment to keep himself from straying off the path.

Nothing quite tells you you're becoming a dick like when you're own weapon tells you to !@#$% off.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121157: Sep 19th 2020 at 9:59:04 PM

[up][up] Though Thor is prolly more powerful than Odin now since he also wields the Power Cosmic alongside his Allfather powers.

So he can prolly force the hammer into submission.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121158: Sep 19th 2020 at 10:02:17 PM

Speaking of ludicrously powerful heroes, anyone else want to see a Captain Universe story in the MCU?

They could set it up as like a mystery / sci-fi story, with someone investigating "something otherworldy is possessing people," which leads to "records of a powerful being that match this phenomenon appear throughout history" and eventually make this character wonder whether this otherworldly force is benevolent or not, and ending with the protag trusting and giving into the Captain Universe essence and bonding with them to save the day - before it leaves to do good elsewhere.

Meanwhile the villains are also investigating the force to contain it and utilize it themselves, etc. You could even have the protag work for them before realizing the essence isn't evil and shouldn't be contained.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2020 at 10:06:06 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121160: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:15:04 PM

"I'm Batman, motherfucker."

The legend has returned.
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121162: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:19:37 PM

Holy shit, Vision wears his old comic book getup too.

The legend has returned.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121163: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:22:13 PM

Well, that's plain ass freaky.

One Strip! One Strip!
MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#121164: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:25:52 PM

That talk with the frozen woman freaked me the heck up. Man, I can't wait to learn what the hell is going on in this pocket dimension.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121165: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:28:34 PM

This is gonna be incredible.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#121167: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:36:54 PM

Oh, I get the title now!

It's Wanda's vision! But also we are watching a television!

We are watching Wanda Vision!

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121168: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:38:47 PM

It's also a Portmanteau Couple Name.

I actually missed that first point, and only kinda barely considered the second one.

One Strip! One Strip!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121169: Sep 20th 2020 at 6:41:07 PM

Lieutenant Trouble is all grown up!

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 20th 2020 at 6:41:23 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121170: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:17:29 PM

Crossposted from the live action tv thread, but that bit with the frozen woman in the middle makes me suspect the plot is going to be Wanda basically lost her grip on reality and created a fantasy world, with Vision a character in the world. Vision discovers that he's a figment of Wanda's imagination, and the tearjerking ending it going to involve Vision having to convince Wanda to destroy the fantasy for the sake of herself and others - especially if regular people are getting stuck in the fantasy world a la the frozen woman.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121171: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:22:55 PM

The theory I'm seeing based on several shots is that Wanda's created a "bubble world" where she has a living husband and family, based on sitcoms. Real people can go in and out of the bubble, but when they enter they get turned into a "sitcom role". And it appears special agents are holding a perimeter around the bubble (SWORD?)

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 20th 2020 at 7:23:08 AM

Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#121172: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:25:15 PM

I knew it was gonna the MCU version of Legion, I knew it.

It's beautiful.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#121173: Sep 20th 2020 at 7:54:06 PM

The trailer looks interesting, surprisingly. The overall theme of "leave behind comfy virtual/fake world for real world via realization that the fake world isn't healthy" is similar to the theme of Ready Player One (and the book it was based on), but the sitcom-style take is novel enough to pique my interest.

I really thought Wanda was underexplored in the MCU, and combined with the iffy writing of Ao U she left a bad first impression. Hope that this series can fix that somewhat.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121174: Sep 20th 2020 at 8:23:39 PM

I'm kind of hoping we get a cameo from Quicksilver here somewhere. It would make sense if Wanda had him still be alive in whatever fantasy world she cooked up.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121175: Sep 20th 2020 at 11:25:34 PM

What the hell did I just watch.

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