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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121101: Sep 17th 2020 at 10:32:26 AM

"Really the annoying thing is that they aren't going that far in diversity because the Avengers game still engages in Token Minority."

Token Minority or not, Kamala is the protagonist of the game whose development goes far beyond her ethnicity.

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#121102: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:24:59 PM

The Orphan Black lady has gotten the She-Hulk role.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121104: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:29:21 PM

For any naysayers in the audience, Variety's got you covered.

And indeed, Tatiana Maslany was the main lead for Orphan Black.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 17th 2020 at 4:31:53 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121106: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:34:14 PM

That's a good point.

Are we talking about green body paint or motion capture.

Moreover, should we expect the leotard or a bodysuit?

(I kid. Leotards would probably be way too wedgie-prone, right?)

ChumlyX1995 Since: Jan, 2020
#121107: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:40:02 PM

This means we should get Kamala Khan casting news real soon

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121108: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:43:54 PM

Great news. I'm guessing we'll also finally get Ms. Marvel casting news soon.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121109: Sep 17th 2020 at 1:58:48 PM

I remember having doubts about Kamala when she was first announced as "First Muslim Superhero!!!! Look how Marvel is progressive!!!". I came to love her approximately 15 pages into her first story, but when all you know about her is the hype I can understand that some people would experience some Hype Aversion.

Now there are also some people who will harp about any character from a minority on the account that "it's PC showed down our throats", and it is not limited to Marvel (boy did it become ugly in Doctor Who).

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
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#121110: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:12:32 PM

I have no beef with Kamala Khan as a character because I have no familiarity with her. I don't read the comics. If she's introduced into the MCU, I'll do my best to enjoy her.

The specific beef here is with the Marvel's Avengers video game, which uses Kamala as an audience surrogate (itself not a problem) in an utterly generic, serial numbers filed off game that exists mainly to merchandise itself and its sponsors. She's headlining a crass, cynical exercise in corporate marketing and greed. It's not a good look no matter how positively she's portrayed.

Edit: As I said in the ZP thread, I suppose any representation is better than no representation, but "joining the consumerist sheep" doesn't really feel like something a minority should aspire to.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:20:40 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121111: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:23:36 PM

I've heard that the the story and Kamala are the game's primary (if not only) saving graces. From what I've seen of it, it's a pretty good assessment.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121112: Sep 17th 2020 at 2:23:37 PM

By the main lead of Orphan Black, isn't she pretty much the entire main cast of that show? But yeah, that show's an excellent showcase of her range.

Edited by Weirdguy149 on Sep 17th 2020 at 5:32:36 AM

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JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121113: Sep 17th 2020 at 3:04:45 PM

I just hope that for Kamala they hire someone who is credible as a teenager.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#121114: Sep 17th 2020 at 3:07:45 PM

Or maybe an actual teenager? tongue

JoLuRo075 Since: Jan, 2019
#121115: Sep 17th 2020 at 3:09:58 PM

I don't believe in those miracles.

Even Holland (The Younger Spider-Man) is older than his character.

[up]*3. It must be difficult to interpret a lot of clones and give each one a distinctive personality.

It can be argued that there are many actors who have played clones, but in most cases the clones have the same personality, while in Orphan Black it has more merit because the clones have different personalities.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 17th 2020 at 3:54:48 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121116: Sep 17th 2020 at 4:29:23 PM

Hiring an actual teenager comes with a host of issues involving things like labor laws and the ethics of juggling celebrity life with education. A Younger Than They Look actor like Tom Holland is probably the most effective route for someone like Kamala.

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#121117: Sep 17th 2020 at 5:51:08 PM

Holland was still technically a teen at 19 in Civil War, now he's well past Peter's perpetual 15.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121118: Sep 17th 2020 at 6:51:31 PM

There's also the issue of real teens aging fast. The director of Shazam recently joked that the title for the sequel would be Shazam: Now The Kids Have Facial Hair.

Edited by comicwriter on Sep 17th 2020 at 6:51:52 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#121119: Sep 17th 2020 at 6:57:45 PM

[up] Imagine how the pandemic affected THAT.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#121120: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:20:07 PM

At some point it will become ridiculous for Tom to still portray a 15 year old, so I really hope he does age in-universe eventually.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121121: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:37:08 PM

Balding high school senior Peter Parker.

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#121122: Sep 17th 2020 at 11:58:19 PM

I think Peter was supposed to be 16 in Far From Home.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121123: Sep 18th 2020 at 12:08:31 AM

Aside from being dust for half a decade, Peter's been Spider-Man for about 3 years, as of Far From Home.

In universe, there's something like a two year gap from Civil War and Infinity War.

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#121124: Sep 18th 2020 at 12:18:45 AM

Maybe he was 17. We know he was a Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man for a good amount of time before Tony found him.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121125: Sep 18th 2020 at 1:18:20 AM

Snap aside, the MCU seemed to have been roughly following the way passes in the real world, apart from the occasional Continuity Snarl. So I guess that a Spider-Man movie set 2 or 3 years from now could also feature a more aged Peter in college or something.

Kamala could be played convincingly by a 18-20 years old who looks a bit younger than she is.

Edited by C105 on Sep 18th 2020 at 10:18:45 AM

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