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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121076: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:27:03 AM

[up]That would be the bit character Hearts Boxcar of the Midnight Crew from Homestuck.

For context, the scene where he's screaming about hating time travel is here:

[I] HB: Waste exactly four hours on this tomfoolery.

He's struggling against time travel duplicates of two Dumb Muscle members of a rival gang called The Felt who all have Time Master powers.

And that arc isn't even the most convoluted when it comes to time manipulation. The entire series revolves around time loops, to the point that every member of the cast could be considered an example of My Own Grandpa.

It is somewhat ironic that one of my favorite stories would revolve around a narrative device that I tend to despise on principle...but the writer made it work.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2020 at 5:33:44 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121077: Sep 16th 2020 at 9:01:56 AM

I thought your profile pic was a train.

Looks like a train to me.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#121078: Sep 16th 2020 at 9:10:42 AM

Me too.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121079: Sep 16th 2020 at 11:39:57 AM

Updates:

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121080: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:18:58 PM

So there's an Avengers game. Found it interesting that Kamala Khan is still an Inhuman in it, which tells me it's likely she'll still be one in her live-action series too.

Have the angriest Bruce has ever been without Hulking out.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 16th 2020 at 6:19:12 AM

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#121081: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:22:06 PM

I wouldn't get too excited about that game. It's absolute trash: a cynical marketing exercise to get you to buy cosmetics.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121082: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:23:30 PM

It should be noted that game began development around the time when Marvel was pushing the Inhumans & Fox still had the X-Men license.

Its why the games plotline involves "Inhumans popping up all over the world" which was a thing done in every medium to push the Inhumans.

[up] Even then visually & gameplay-wise its also pretty dull.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 16th 2020 at 6:24:02 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121083: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:23:33 PM

[up][up]I thought the story was apparently pretty good, though the gameplay was wonky.

But I've been getting mixed messages quite a bit from it.

[up] Yeah. I'm never gonna get over the irony that the Inhumans as a brand died when they tried to make them the X-Men, while the X-men becoming the Inhumans (more isolationist, having their own homeland, and even taking over the moon) is the best thing going for them in years.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 16th 2020 at 7:25:03 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121084: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:28:51 PM

For what it’s worth if you look on Twitter, a lot of people who hated Kamala or just assumed the worst about her played the game and went “Oh wow! Fangirl with Luffy’s powers!” It’s helped her perception a lot from what it seems.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 16th 2020 at 9:29:10 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121085: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:32:27 PM

....people hated Kamala?

I thought she was a huge success?

One Strip! One Strip!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121086: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:34:38 PM

[up]Comics remain a narrow medium full of stereotypes about it. But put her in a video game, a medium with a much larger fanbase and reach and everyone sees her as fun as her interactions with Bruce Banner as great and hey, she’s a rubber person.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121087: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:35:49 PM

[up]I forget that sometimes.

One Strip! One Strip!
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121088: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:37:06 PM

[up]Ads for that game with Kamala front and center were a frequent part of the NBA finals. Comic books have not gotten that since GI Joe ended.

But hey, this means Kamala gets more fans and gets to break the stereotypes of that narrow medium, and that’s good.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121089: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:38:37 PM

Yes I've actually seen people go "No shes not popular."

This is a good comment showcasing that presumption from the comment section in Gamespot review which is full of such people.

"that’s a stretch to say she’s remotely popular.

It’s a shoehorned in concept that allows Marvel to shatter their historically biased products.

Note: I have no problem with it but it’s delusional to think this was about popularity and variety and not “expanding the demographic of the product market” while earning PC points."

I believe know nothing know it alls is an apt description.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 16th 2020 at 6:39:19 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#121090: Sep 16th 2020 at 6:56:52 PM

I remember Kamala got a lot of unnecessary hate back when she was first made due to being a Pakistani superhero, but times change, and now everyone's alright with her.

The legend has returned.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#121091: Sep 16th 2020 at 7:11:15 PM

It was more so that she's Muslim.

And there will definitely still be people who gnash their teeth and pull their hair in rage when her tv show comes out.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121092: Sep 16th 2020 at 7:21:37 PM

Kamala is one of the most popular characters created by Marvel in the past decade, and she's gotten a decent push by the company since her debut.

And that includes outside of comics as well, although I wonder what her most well-known appearance would've been before the recent Avengers game. Probably one of the cartoons like Avengers Assemble and Marvel Rising?

Hmm, considering how Marvel's recent cartoons have been received, maybe the Avengers game is her biggest appearance yet outside of the comics. At the very least, the announcement of the Disney Plus show should've gotten her more publicity.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121093: Sep 16th 2020 at 7:38:05 PM

It is a sham that Kamala appearances have been in mediocre products from Avengers Assemble, to the current Spider-Man cartoon which for some reason gave her personality to Spider-Man, & of course said game.

I’m not sure about Marvel Rising though.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121094: Sep 16th 2020 at 8:20:53 PM

Weird. Some impressions I read regarding the game say that while the ads rope you in with the usual Avengers, the game itself ends up making you care more about Kamala.

And since our favorite embiggening girl is being brought up, an insider I follow on Twitter got me into finding a popular fancast for her: Saara Chaudry.

Some apparently know her primarily from Degrassi, but I'm more familiar with her work as Parvana from the animated film The Breadwinner and...she just sort of fits the glove rather perfectly?

She's both Pakistani and 16, like Kamala, has some Oscar cred thanks to The Breadwinner and funnily enough, on Twitter she's following some Marvel and Kamala involved folks like Kamala creator G. Willow Wilson, current writer Saladin Ahmed, Marvel editor C.B. Cebulski, Marvel Entertainment...and Marvel Studios' Canadian Twitter.

...Might be reading too much into that last one. tongue

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 16th 2020 at 11:24:45 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121095: Sep 16th 2020 at 9:13:57 PM

Yes I've actually seen people go "No shes not popular."

This is a good comment showcasing that presumption from the comment section in Gamespot review which is full of such people.

Not surprising. Rememeber when Carol Danvers was one of the more popular requested characters for being the MCU, but then overnight the Vocal Minority filled the airwaves with "she's just an obscure spinoff of a male character that nobody likes, but Marvel is forcing down our throats because of diversity" once it became clear that her movie was actually going to be a reality?

Intolerance will reinterpret reality however it wants to justify itself.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121096: Sep 16th 2020 at 9:24:29 PM

Really the annoying thing is that they aren't going that far in diversity because the Avengers game still engages in Token Minority.

Kamala is the only person of color in the base with the rest of the Avengers being 5 white people continuing Marvel's tendency to only have the main 5 or 6 movie squad plus one person of color.

Avengers Assemble did this as well but with Falcon as the lone black guy who oddly enough had a similar characterization to Kamala as the kid newcomer.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#121097: Sep 16th 2020 at 11:12:06 PM

[up][up][up] For the love of God, please stop with buying into the bullshit rumor machine for once.

Note that with the exception of Doctor Strange, the MCU generally doesn't go with popular fancasts, and besides, also sometimes people are just allowed to like things without it having to mean anything more.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#121098: Sep 17th 2020 at 5:19:25 AM

[up]x3 - That perception can work when dealing with a medium as obscure as comics are. Because the comic audience is so small (100,000 copies on a good day), it’s easy for people to manipulate that to the average person, filtered through a Youtube video that says “This character isn’t popular, she’s being shoved down our throats”.

Then you put the character in a game being advertised on ESPN or TNT during the NBA or during baseball and that opinion becomes much harder to shape, since the audience is just that much wider by an order of several million people. And that’s where all the weird conspiracy theories start.

Unless you count some of her animated appearances, this is Kamala’s first real big budget mainstream exposure for a big project. And people go “OK, she’s a superhero fan girl who gets turned into a mutan...In...mutant, and now she gets to fight bad guys with her stretchy powers.”

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121099: Sep 17th 2020 at 5:46:48 AM

[up][up] But I'm not buying into any of it.

I just found the fancasting by happenstance and thought "huh, I wouldn't really oppose this. Pretty curious she's following so and so..."

I'm sorry if it's looking like I'm barking up a barren tree...again. I guess the back of my mind is hurting for good news. I was itching for Phase 4 to kick some major ass...but then the pandemic had to go and ruin everything. sad

Come on, when can we get our own Marvel-themed FanDome thing?!

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#121100: Sep 17th 2020 at 6:56:00 AM

[up] When they feel like it.

Personally, after Endgame, i can wait a good long time for Phase 4.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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