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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121051: Sep 15th 2020 at 5:56:07 PM

If Iron Lad shows up then the time travel's definitely going to work by different rules than in Endgame, since a central part of his character is that he's fated to become Kang and deviating from that causes massive changes to the future and present.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121052: Sep 15th 2020 at 6:43:59 PM

[up] Well we thought Agents of Shield was working on different rules, but the final season featured those time travel rules from Endgame.

So I'm really curious as to what was going on with the Monoliths and their time travel rules.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121053: Sep 15th 2020 at 6:51:41 PM

I like the theory that they were the shadows of the infinity gemstones

That’s born up by exactly nothing but I like the idea because it means their shadow is just a bigger dumber rock

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121054: Sep 15th 2020 at 6:53:38 PM

Come to think of it, one transports you through space...and one through time....

....you may be on to something. It's been a while since we last heard anything about those things: how many were there besides the two I mentioned, and what did they do?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121055: Sep 15th 2020 at 6:56:19 PM

There was one other one on the show which had the power of creation which might as well be said to be reality.

"It could read into the mind of anyone nearby and generate tangible recreations of whatever they pictured, although it mainly manifested images of what they feared when left in the presence of Humans. These manifestations are tangible enough to qualify as the real thing."

Although they apparently originated in the "fear dimension" so. Dunno.

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 15th 2020 at 9:56:54 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121056: Sep 15th 2020 at 6:59:13 PM

Now that I think about it, Kang showing up in the upcoming Ant-Man could likely set up his Iron Lad time dynamic. Because in the Young Avengers comic, the reason why Iron Lad choosing to stay good and live in the present was a problem was because it erased the Avengers' and F4's prior encounters with Kang, creating a ripple effect that led to a Bad Present. So it's possible Kang's Ant-Man 3 appearance might take the place of his comic stint as Rama-Tut, therefore setting up Iron Lad's dilemma.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 15th 2020 at 7:01:05 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121057: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:02:20 PM

If you think about it, Kang could live in the present as a teenager and then turn evil as an adult man around the time he'd need to be Rama-Tut and all that biz and it wouldn't need time to be altered.

The timestream is just babies.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121058: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:02:30 PM

[up][up]

Oh right. That's the one that got blown up. I remember now.

Looks like it ends at those three though, although the one you mentioned could also be connected to mind (since it pulls the info out of the user's mind).

So nothing for Power and Soul I guess. Too bad.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121059: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:04:30 PM

I'd be very curious to see how they could make Rama-Tut less offensive, also.

I don't dislike the idea: that this conqueror from the future was time travelled throughout history and became historical conquerors across time. But Rama-Tut is one of those ideas that very obviously came out of the 60's, and would need... updating, a la M'Baku.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 15th 2020 at 7:04:50 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#121060: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:06:16 PM

Marvel comic book covers will feature a tribute banner dedicated to the late Chadwick Boseman.

The banner reads "Rest In Power Chadwick Boseman: 1976 – 2020"

(*sniff*) Damn it, I'm already getting teary-eyed reading this...sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 15th 2020 at 10:06:26 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121061: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:20:56 PM

[up] That's very nice.

[up][up] Having Kang be Black already makes that plot point 100% better by avoiding the Mighty Whitey part of the Ancient Aliens.

While not strictly historically accurate (although time travel isn't either), he could have been a Pharoah from the Nubian dynasty or really any Egyptian dynasty.

Besides the Nubian as Black part, I kind of like the idea of Kang being responsible for at least one major historical act of conquest. He could also have been behind the mysterious Sea Peoples who caused the "Bronze Age Collapse".

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 15th 2020 at 9:23:10 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121062: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:21:30 PM

Man, I hate looking at the years of his life. The man was just too young.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#121063: Sep 15th 2020 at 7:23:59 PM

[up] Death does not care if one is too young, but Chadwick Boseman certainly shined in his career, and that's something we can all be grateful for.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#121064: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:11:21 PM

I think having different methods of time travel work under different rules is fine. Might not make much physics sense, but leaves more room for different plots.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121065: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:28:13 PM

Time travel is like magic. As long as the sources of it are understandably distinct, they can totally have different rules.

Stark Tech Time Travel vs Magical Time Travel vs Kang Tech Time Travel vs Infinity Gem Time Travel, etc. I could totally buy them working in different ways.

Heck, we already know Dr. Strange can (or used to be able to) reverse time in a completely different way to a completely different effect than Stark Tech could. And since the Loki show involves time travel, it's probably going to have its own rules as well.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 15th 2020 at 10:28:40 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#121066: Sep 15th 2020 at 11:03:19 PM

As Endgame itself demonstrated with what on earth happened to Old Cap, time travel rules can and will totally be tossed out the window the instant one thinks of a cooler idea.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#121067: Sep 15th 2020 at 11:35:48 PM

-insert "Dr DOOM has a time platform" here-

Edited by Zeromaeus on Sep 15th 2020 at 2:36:06 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121068: Sep 16th 2020 at 12:12:40 AM

The She-Hulk TV show has its first director: Kat Coiro. She's worked on a number of shows including Brooklyn Nine Nine, Mozart in the Jungle and It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#121069: Sep 16th 2020 at 12:40:45 AM

I hope, hope, HOPE that the office across from hers has the name Howard on it. We never have to see him. I just want that. They'll never do it, but I want it.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Sep 16th 2020 at 3:44:59 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#121070: Sep 16th 2020 at 1:43:00 AM

I honestly do not want to see any Time Travel played for drama again for a loooong time.

If you have to do it, do not even pretend to have any 'rules' and have some whacky fun with it, like Legends of Tomorrow does.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121071: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:09:36 AM

Why do you think my avatar and flair is what it is now?

Time travel is a bullshit narrative device. Sure, it's not impossible for a Time Travel story to be good - I actually liked Homestuck - but that usually requires a writer who plans it out very carefully from the start of the story.

Another example of a good Time Travel series is Quantum Leap.

I do not consider Endgame's use of Time Travel to be particularly well thought out. Though admittedly, the actual scenes were entertaining enough that I could almost give it a pass.

Edited by M84 on Sep 16th 2020 at 5:12:41 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#121072: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:13:37 AM

A Time master is a cool power idea though.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#121073: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:14:38 AM

You want a series that does the Time Master thing right, stick with JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Disgusted, but not surprised
jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#121074: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:15:37 AM

I hope, hope, HOPE that the office across from hers has the name Howard on it. We never have to see him. I just want that. They'll never do it, but I want it.

Technically Howard is/was on Earth thanks to the portals in Endgame so he COULD still be hanging around... Theoretically.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#121075: Sep 16th 2020 at 2:25:10 AM

@ M84 What is your avatar? Sorry I don't recognize it.


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