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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#121026: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:00:55 AM

[up][up] Scott is always treated in universe as a doofus with a criminal record but he is genuinely one of the best adjusted and generally decent heroes of the lot. Though being put next to HANK PYM probably helps that appearance.

Oops, page topper.

Edited by jakobitis on Sep 15th 2020 at 5:02:06 PM

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121027: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:03:22 AM

But he still has taken some really impulsive, poorly thought out decisions that have blown up on his face.

Wake me up at your own risk.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121028: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:19:04 AM

Like trying to Rob Hank in the first place....and even then he only went that way when it seemed he was completely out of options.

There was also trying to send Louis to Hank's Lab....which allowed the authorities, Birch, and Ghost to find them, but again that was only when Louis told him they needed to finalize things on their security business and it seemed like there was no other way.

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121029: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:21:33 AM

[up][up] But then that applies to a good part of the MCU characters, if not all of them. At least Scott's bad decisions did not have too severe consequences.

Edited by C105 on Sep 15th 2020 at 6:21:46 PM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121030: Sep 15th 2020 at 9:34:20 AM

I would hope that they wouldn't do a plotline of Scott attempting to get back the "lost years" because Endgame handled it really well in showing Scott's combination of heartbreak and happiness in seeing Cassie alive but much older. And IMO framed him as accepting that reality in keeping with his emotional maturity.

So, I'd find it out of character if he was shown trying to mess with time later on.

As I've said, I do find it morally questionable although understandable how Tony refused to undue the Snap entirely so he wouldn't lose his daughter. But actively messing with time seems a step beyond that into One More Day territory.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 15th 2020 at 11:35:55 AM

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#121031: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:05:54 AM

I think it goes without saying that Morgan wasn't the ONLY child born During the snap, and while we see many people unable to move on due to the loss, we see many people able for the most part too move on.

Completely undoing the Snap would mean in essence killing allot of innocent kids because a portion of the survivors couldn't move on.

Tony then took the 3rd option, bring back the 'dead' but don't kill or erase anybody else.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121032: Sep 15th 2020 at 10:15:40 AM

Yeah, it was the most compromisey path available.

The Avengers also deciding unilaterally that those five years don't count and undoing it would also have been not so great.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121033: Sep 15th 2020 at 11:44:17 AM

As I understand it, if the Snap was undone, no one, except possibly the Avengers themselves would remember it, so they would be the only ones to feel bad about losing children born during the 5 years.

Overall, my take is that "killing" children by doing a full reset feels too much like something Thanos would do, so in that sense, I think it was the right decision.

And from a Doyleist standpoint, it is a braver choice and one that moves things forward narratively to keep the Snap, especially in terms of shooing out many of the OG Avengers.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#121034: Sep 15th 2020 at 11:46:21 AM

Anthony Mackie in-costume as Captain America. Black and white photo.

EDIT: or an updated Falcon costume. My mistake.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 15th 2020 at 3:28:22 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121035: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:16:26 PM

Technically, I think that's probably his (new and more comic accurate) Falcon costume. At least temporarily, it seems like he's moving away from a Captain America look.

Speaking of costumes, interesting Reddit post. I know that all mechanical costumes are going to look somewhat similar, but as the post notes, there's definitely similarities between Kang's traditional costume and the MCU time travel suits, which in turn derived from Pym's Quantum Realm suits.

Congradutatltions, Hank (with help from Tony and Bruce). You doomed the future.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 15th 2020 at 4:17:41 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121036: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:17:47 PM

Hey, Hank didn't create Ultron and he had to be responsible for at least one major villain.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121037: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:18:49 PM

He could recreate Ultron from Stark's blueprint

Ultron 2.0

I'm giving him bad ideas aren't I

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C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121038: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:21:49 PM

Well now that Tony is dead we need someone else to create villains and be blamed for whatever decision they take.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#121039: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:25:33 PM

There's enough time between the modern day, whenever that is, and when Kang is supposed to be from that you can't really blame Kang on any one factor.

There's just too much happening happening between point A and B.

Also why I find it pointless to try to give Kang a famous ancestor, either Reed or Doom.

Its like if Green Goblin was descended from Caligula. It'd be like 'what??' and 'why the fuck does this matter?'

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121040: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:27:26 PM

If something like that does happen, the least they could do is to have Spider-Man make a whole comedy routine out of it.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#121041: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:30:23 PM

I was joking, having in mind the running jokes of Hank being a sort of Hate Sink in and out of universe in the comics as well as how the MCU has semi-accidentally given Tony that role thusfar, because of tying various villain origins to him.

But I was also recalling a scene from EMH where Tony is able to hack Kang's technology when he realizes that things he invented were the building blocks of technology that would exist in the future. And it would be cool to see that same idea with Pym tech in the MCU.

Edited by Hodor2 on Sep 15th 2020 at 4:32:00 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#121042: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:32:23 PM

I just want them to bring Ultron back into the plot somehow,Hank tinkering with a surviving drone would be the perfect way to do it

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#121043: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:32:59 PM

Hey we might finally have a villain who has a bone to pick with Scott & doesn't give a fuck about Hank. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#121044: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:48:57 PM

They Never Found the Body of Ultron anyway. Vision's shooting of the last surviving drone is conveniently offscreen, so reviving Ultron should not be hard if needed. I just wonder if the MCU is ready to revive dead villains, which they have not done a lot so far compared to the comics.

Edited by C105 on Sep 15th 2020 at 11:49:07 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#121045: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:57:51 PM

I'd rather they not. Let the dead stay dead, especially ones who had really good final scenes like Ultron or Thanos.

I wouldn't mind if they brought back Arnim Zola like they once planned, however.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#121046: Sep 15th 2020 at 2:59:18 PM

Zola seems more fitting for the Sam and Bucky show, honestly.

Wake me up at your own risk.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121047: Sep 15th 2020 at 3:11:15 PM

Depends on how mad sciencey that show gets.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#121048: Sep 15th 2020 at 3:40:54 PM

Wikipedia claims that Ultron was only "seemingly destroyed" at the end of Age of Ultron. And the MCU has teased a return of Ultron in that Damage Control VR game.

Hell, if we go by Wikipedia plot summaries, Yellowjacket was only "presumably killed" at the end of the first Ant-Man movie. Let's have Kang assemble a team of supervillains to take on Scott. That'd be fun.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Sep 15th 2020 at 6:41:33 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#121049: Sep 15th 2020 at 5:30:11 PM

....Kang could in theory use his phenomenal cosmic (Time Travel) powers to bring back him and a lot of other dead villains (that is, if Ultron even needs to be brought back that way. There is a bit of wiggle room that he might have found something else to put his data in before Vision nuked him).

We've already seen that time travel can be used to bring back someone who's died before, as a certain deadliest woman in the galaxy can attest.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#121050: Sep 15th 2020 at 5:47:01 PM

Technically everyone who was brought back by the time travel we've seen already is a Replacement Goldfish.

However, I fully think that since Kang is literal eras ahead of the protagonists and has not just more advanced, but different technology overall, his time travel could work differently or have different rules.


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