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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120976: Sep 13th 2020 at 5:19:15 PM

Well its an X-Men that doesn't star Wolverine for once.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#120977: Sep 13th 2020 at 5:21:04 PM

I personally think in terms of combat, Magneto's the show-stealer in First Class.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#120978: Sep 13th 2020 at 5:21:18 PM

But then the one that starred Wolverine was quite possibly the most well-received, so not starring Wolverine isn't the way to go.

In all seriousness, didn't read the comics or get endeared to any of the other characters, so Wolverine being the lead, while noticeable, was never really a problem for me.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120979: Sep 13th 2020 at 5:23:58 PM

Thats a move explicitly about Wolverine.

Meanwhile a movie titled X-Men actually showed off a decent variety of X-Men, more than usual.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120980: Sep 14th 2020 at 8:03:30 AM

I think Wolverine's presence in the X-Movies was highly annoying.

Yet Logan was by far the best Fox-Men movie. These positions aren't mutually exclusive.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#120981: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:35:16 AM

Lovecraft Country's Jonathan Majors will be in Ant-Man 3...

...AS KANG THE CONQUEROR!!!

surprisedsurprisedsurprised

(Don't really need to say it, but Kang's film rights were previously with Fox since he (as Rama-Tut) was regarded as a Fantastic Four villain. But now that Disney bought Fox, while SWORD and Madripoor will be appearing first via WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier respectively, Kang is the first formerly Fox-owned Marvel character to make the jump to the MCU!)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 14th 2020 at 12:55:19 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#120982: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:51:06 AM

Awesome. Definitely makes sense in light of the hints (confirmed?) about the Loki series involving a time travel authority. And of course, Endgame opened up that door.

I at first wondered about why he'd be introduced in an Ant-Man movie, but then I remembered that the MCU's time travel mechanism is linked with Pym Particles.

I hope they do the thing with having another actor (or possibly Majors himself) as Iron Lad, trying to avoid becoming his evil future self.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120983: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:54:36 AM

The article says its a definite cast and a maybe Kang. But it does make some sense because Scott accidentally a time travel.

[up] That's another good reason. Ant-Man was the first mavel movie to use super duper age cgi so they could drop multiple versions of Kang around the plot for comedy.

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 14th 2020 at 12:55:37 PM

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#120984: Sep 14th 2020 at 9:57:39 AM

Kang? Alright, I’m interested.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120985: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:22:34 AM

Friggin' amazing!

If it's as epic as this, we'll be alright.

As long as the time travel makes sense. My big problem with EMH Kang is that his backstory was nonsensical, but part of that might have been because they arc they wanted to use with him was cut short (screw Jeph Loeb).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2020 at 10:28:51 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120986: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:35:05 AM

Someone else pointed out to me that with Cassie older now because of time nonsense, this is also a great time to start building up the Young Avengers and wouldn't you know it, Kangs were a big part of that.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120987: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:36:31 AM

I've been pulling for that for freakin' ages and I'm all the way here for it.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120988: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:37:01 AM

Kate Bishop is showing up in the Hawkeye series after all.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120989: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:37:47 AM

Ooooooh I wonder if we're gonna get Wanda & Vision's kids.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120990: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:41:22 AM

Speed would mean we get a new Speedster. The MCU doesn't have many...what with the only one they did have being not only merely dead, but truly most sincerely dead.

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ematt3 Since: Jun, 2020
#120991: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:42:17 AM

I feel like that's guaranteed now everything in phase 4 screams young avengers.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120992: Sep 14th 2020 at 10:58:07 AM

Huh. Think when they get to Kamala, they'll have her join the Young Avengers?

She's been a full blown Avenger already, and the Champions seem like they are kinda Jr. Avengers in addition to the second coming of The New Warriors (dealing with the fights the Avengers can't).

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#120993: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:03:05 AM

I wonder if Spider-Man is still considered young enough for the Young Avengers.

Probably not since Tony technically made him an Avenger in Infinity War. But then again, being gone for five years only to come back might complicate that?

And hey, since Kang is the distant descendant of Reed Richards, could this mean we'll be seeing a biracial Fantastic Four? wink

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Sep 14th 2020 at 2:04:24 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120994: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:22:12 AM

I guess it depends on what the Avengers even are post-Endgame with Tony dead, Steve retired, and Thor semi-retired.

If there's an actual Avengers team still being a thing, Spider-Man is probably part of that. If the Young Avengers are the only Avengers on the block, he could get roped into that.

I'd say its best not to pin the team on Spider-Man with the uncertainties of Sony staying playing nice.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120995: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:25:54 AM

I'd prefer if Spidey wasn't a Young Avenger anyway. Let him have his own stuff going on.

Peter's got a lot on his plate right now, anyway.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2020 at 11:26:08 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#120996: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:29:12 AM

Not to mention whatever it is with the Hulk now, Clint went away, Natasha died, Vision and Wanda are doing their thing far away, Falcon and Bucky had their own thing to deal with now... The Avengers need to basically restart somehow.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120997: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:31:16 AM

Wow this the perfect opportunity for the Thunderbolts to make their move.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120998: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:35:18 AM

For the Avengers proper, I would still really love the New Avengers (which did include Spidey, admittedly in contrast to my former statement), which was formed with the concept of "the Avengers were this great organization with a godlike reputation, and we're just people who came together to do the right thing, but by hell we're going to do it better than anyone because that's what we need to do," which would be a great mentality to go forward with.

The lineup for that was Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones (sorta), Dr. Strange, Spidey, Spider-Woman and Ronin - all either characters they are either currently working heavily with or have been encouraged to work with in the near future.

I would dig the Thunderbolts too, though. This is also a perfect time period and setting for that team to be introduced.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2020 at 11:36:14 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#120999: Sep 14th 2020 at 11:49:38 AM

Shame about New Mutants though,thanks a lot Fox

I was thinking,Young Avengers should be called Revengers

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 14th 2020 at 6:49:53 PM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#121000: Sep 14th 2020 at 1:33:36 PM

Falcon and the Winter Soldier spoilers: Batroc is back.

Now there was a The Bus Came Back situation I wasn't expecting!


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