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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120876: Sep 6th 2020 at 9:50:13 PM

Coates however does write some good Storm and T’Challa chemistry

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120877: Sep 6th 2020 at 9:54:49 PM

And then the marriage got utterly torched during Avengers vs. X-Men.

Yeah, it was kinda thrown together, but nobody really did anything with it, plus having one of their members as the Queen of an entire nation would have actually been pretty beneficial for the X-Men.

Something good could have probably come out of the idea, but now that's done with.

One Strip! One Strip!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120878: Sep 6th 2020 at 9:55:08 PM

If you want to see what Black Panther and Storm's relationship is generally though, look up her ending in MVC 3.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120879: Sep 6th 2020 at 9:58:20 PM

There's also the fact that she shows up in during the Wakanda segment in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3: The Black Order rather than the X-Men segment. A very clear nod to her former status as queen.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120880: Sep 6th 2020 at 10:01:48 PM

Really says something about Marvel's view on marriage back in those days huh?

But at least Reed and Sue are still a couple.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 6th 2020 at 10:01:58 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120881: Sep 6th 2020 at 10:04:13 PM

I tend to perceive taking Storm away from her own series, goals, agendas and built-up identity and throwing her together into Black Panther so she could be T'Challa's trophy "strong black wife" as emblematic of all the problems with Hudlin's approach to BP, and typically my primary example when people respond "what's so bad about making BP as cooler than everyone else?" to some of Hudlin's other ideas.

It's a move that inherently cares less about who Storm is as a character than what she represents a status symbol. And Hudlin was like that with freaking everything.

I've always taken the fact that their marriage falls apart the moment an issue comes up that actually addresses something Storm is passionate about that T'Challa doesn't as an implicit dig at the expense the marriage had on Storm's agency as a character.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 6th 2020 at 10:07:02 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120882: Sep 6th 2020 at 10:14:00 PM

Hudlin is probably BP's most famous Dork Age.

For some reason it was also that very same run that Marvel decided to make a pseudo cartoon (more like a glorified motion comic) out of. It did have the sickesst opening ever though:

Even more impressive given it's not just gibberish they're shouting but apparently a Wakandan conlang based off Bantu created by the lyricist Stephen James Taylor.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120883: Sep 6th 2020 at 10:27:12 PM

Ugh, out of all the trends, Motion Comics was definitely the one I understood the least.

Like.....why? Either make a full-fledged cartoon or don't.

But not these horrible animations with the cheesy voice work.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 6th 2020 at 7:27:34 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120884: Sep 6th 2020 at 10:31:24 PM

Regardless of how the Milestone comics turn out, at least it indicates that he legal troubles plaguing the characters are finally over.

So we might see Static & co in shows & movies now. Really fucking hope Static gets into Injustice 3 considering he was originally planned to appear in Injustice 2.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120885: Sep 7th 2020 at 12:31:38 AM

The real reason there's no cure for cancer in the Marvel universe is Reed Richards Is Useless. We can't just have these super geniuses and magic solve all our real world problems like diseases, starvation and climate change, because the world has to remain like ours.

Edited by FGHIK on Sep 7th 2020 at 2:31:50 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#120886: Sep 7th 2020 at 12:39:36 AM

Except in Wakanda. They've got the cure.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120887: Sep 7th 2020 at 1:56:43 AM

And don't share it, because they are dicks.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120888: Sep 7th 2020 at 1:59:29 AM

You'd think they would already share it because moral reasons aside, curing cancer would make Wakanda beloved to all citizens of the world which fix that ongoing fear other nations have of them.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#120889: Sep 7th 2020 at 5:28:45 AM

Silliest part is that they argue they aren't willing to share it because they're mad at other countries for creating cigarettes and because they think they'd use the cure for cancer to make weapons out of it. Somehow.

Honestly sometimes I kinda wish they'd let superhero universes have the characters share all their technological and scientific marvels with everyone to improve it. Sure, it would make the world drastically different from ours, but that'd make for great world-building.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120890: Sep 7th 2020 at 5:40:49 AM

Real talk, it would be great to see Static Shock again.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#120891: Sep 7th 2020 at 6:26:18 AM

[up]Just because the Marvel verse has a lot of scifi crap in it doesn't mean there's magical cures for cancer available. That's not how technological progress works.

Fair enough. -throws hands in the air in a fit of rage-

There's also Sauron - not to be confused with nigh identical villain Stegron - who could have cured cancer but decided not do, because he wanted to turn people into dinosaurs instead.

Oh my god this guy actually exists.

because they think they'd use the cure for cancer to make weapons out of it. Somehow.

The cure would somehow turn people into dinosaurs. Dinosaurs that respond to laser pointers that you can point at enemies to make the dinosaur attack them.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 7th 2020 at 6:31:09 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#120892: Sep 7th 2020 at 6:28:31 AM

Sauron in the Marvel Cinematic Universe when?

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120893: Sep 7th 2020 at 6:51:04 AM

[up][up] Spider-Man has had to deal with a lot of shit.

And speaking of that Jurassic World plot point, in the time you aim a laser to get a dino to kill your enemy, you could have just used a regular gun.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 7th 2020 at 6:51:51 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#120894: Sep 7th 2020 at 6:52:15 AM

I already mentioned that Norman Osborn tried to weaponize a cancer cure to kill Deadpool.

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120895: Sep 7th 2020 at 6:55:07 AM

Real talk though, Gobby is a chemical company businessman, not a tech guy with most of his stuff implied to be stolen from Stromm, so making a cure for cancer would rake in the millions BUT he could make more suppressing the cure and instead offering even more expensive treatments over the years that doesn't actually cure it but just makes it less painful.

And this is the same guy who when asked by a guard on how to cure his terminally ill wife, gave him advice that just made her die painfully.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 7th 2020 at 6:57:17 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#120896: Sep 7th 2020 at 7:24:18 AM

[up]That first one is actually what Lex Luthor did in Superman: Doomsday. He wrote out a cancer cure on a napkin then had his company figure out a way to stretch it into a ten year long therapy plan.

Edited by M84 on Sep 7th 2020 at 10:24:34 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120897: Sep 7th 2020 at 7:28:39 AM

Huh, does it actually cure people? Like Lex seems to type to leave in the cure part as to prove his genius.

Norman wouldn't leave the cure part in, cause he's Norman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120898: Sep 7th 2020 at 7:29:30 AM

There was also that time when Luthor cured his sister's paralysis and then immediately, as in mere seconds afterwards, uncured her just to prove that he could and said that as long as Superman remained alive he would never reveal how he cured her.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#120899: Sep 7th 2020 at 7:31:28 AM

Quoting Superman himself, "Where is the cure for cancer, Lex?"

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#120900: Sep 7th 2020 at 7:32:23 AM

That's what makes people like Luthor and Norman so awful. They could solve so many problems, but they don't because they don't really care about said problems.

Contrast with Reed Richards, who contrary to the trope named after him, has contributed a lot to the Marvel verse in a bunch of little ways. He actually pays for his family's superhero expenses by inventing useful little gadgets and patenting them.

And no, Reed not having a cancer cure isn't due to lack of trying on his part. He and a bunch of other superheroes actually tried to figure out a cancer cure when they found out Captain Marvel was dying of it. They were also ashamed that they hadn't tried to do so sooner for the rest of the world.

They failed though. Cancer is just that difficult to reliably cure even for someone of Reed's caliber.

Edited by M84 on Sep 7th 2020 at 10:35:57 PM

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