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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well I got to ask: are there no better treatment options available in the world full of giant robots and alien symbiotes and nanites that cure blindness Marvel universe for Jane to use? Because I was under the impression she was refusing it.
Mjolnir's ability to heal being so specifically detrimental and the circumstances of Jane wielding are weird to me, and I think the MCU version would be better off writing it out, or at least writing it differently. Like, she's dying of cancer but Mjolnir is a walking stick that gives her superpowers, not the thing that's actually killing her. That's a terrible example but I already like the idea of it just being a dope, superpower-granting cane better.
EDIT: On the other hand given what's happened recently writing out Jane's cancer might not be the best idea. I would definitely alter how Mjolnir works so that it's not Blessed with Suck.
Edited by FOFD on Sep 6th 2020 at 8:11:12 AM
Just because the Marvel verse has a lot of scifi crap in it doesn't mean there's magical cures for cancer available. That's not how technological progress works.
Let's not forget that the original Captain Marvel succumbed to cancer.
And no, Jane wasn't refusing other treatment options. Chemotherapy really was the only treatment she had available.
Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2020 at 11:17:46 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedBesides, even if there were a magical means to cure cancer, it'd probably come with a price. That's part of how magic works in general in the Marvel verse - you want something, you gotta pay for it.
You want to save your aunt from dying even when she's ready to go? Gotta give up your marriage. (Peter Parker)
You want to save a kid from dying of a brain injury and your hands are too messed up to do emergency surgery? Gotta make a deal with a demon to heal your hands, with the price to be decided later. (Stephen Strange)
Jane Foster's been around enough magical crap to be savvy about this.
Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2020 at 11:20:09 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedDidn't Reggie Hudlin infamously make it canon to 616 Marvel that Wakanda had the cure for cancer but was withholding that from the world? Or did someone make that into Canon Discontinuity?
Also damn is that Harsher in Hindsight now...
Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 6th 2020 at 8:25:51 AM
I was trying to forget that last bit.
But even ignoring RL reasons, that shit is not sympathetic at all.
Like there was a reason why Killmonger had legit grief against Wakanda.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 6th 2020 at 8:27:08 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"Norman Osborn had a cancer treatment too...but being Norman Osborn he only used it to try to kill Deadpool (his Healing Factor actually needs his cancer for it to work).
Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2020 at 11:32:53 PM
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As i recall, he was the guy who made it so that getting the Black Panther fruit involved a wrestling contest.
And retconned one meeting with Captain America so that Black Panther beat the shit out of him.
If Osborn was smart, he would have used it to fix his dying PR.
But instead decided to kill his son for ratings.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Sep 6th 2020 at 8:30:24 AM
"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"...oh come on!
...even if you don't care about people, you'd think he'd still want the prestige and money that would come with it!
That's just cutting off your nose to spite your face!
One Strip! One Strip!Quiet Man outright wanted more people to die - he figured why should they be happier than him? He was a complete misanthrope.
This is the same guy who developed a murderous grudge on Reed Richards and became a villain who endangered the entire planet...just because he had an unrequited crush on Sue Storm.
- Quiet Man: Oh, I did cancer and then decided there were too many people in the world and why should they be happier than me? So I destroyed the cure!
Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2020 at 11:37:10 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThere's an issue with Sauron that delves into that too.
Speaking of Thor 4, though, who do we think the villain will end up being? Thor doesn't have the deepest rogue's gallery but if we embrace the space aspect of it (with the Guardians being at least somewhat present), that gives them a bigger list of options.
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Oh. Well ok. That makes sense.
I mean, if you just hate everyone, at least there's some logic to it.
I mean, that's still a horrific thing to do, but hey at least it kinda makes sense.
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Doctor Doom, The Wizard, Quiet Man...there was also Ricardo Jones from the story "This Man...This Monster!" though he ultimately realized Reed Richards was a truly selfless man and sacrificed himself to save him.
- Spider-Man: You can rewrite DNA on the fly, and you're using it to turn people into dinosaurs? But with tech like that, you could cure cancer!Sauron: But I don't want to cure cancer. I want to turn people into dinosaurs.
Another thing about the Quiet Man is that he actually wouldn't want those things even if he wasn't a misanthrope. He was already incredibly wealthy due to all of the businesses he created. And as for prestige...his whole shtick is that he kept changing identities so often that he had forgotten his original name and appearance. Even in his debut, he was using an impostor as the public "face" for his latest company.
He just wants to live a quiet life.
Edited by M84 on Sep 6th 2020 at 11:53:24 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedThere's also Sauron - not to be confused with nigh identical villain Stegron - who could have cured cancer but decided not do, because he wanted to turn people into dinosaurs instead.
Sorry, it's obligatory.
In the MCU, that's definitely true. Only his wife Janet and his successor Scott actually like him. His daughter Hope of course loves him, but she didn't really like him for most of her life.
In the Marvel comics, a lot of people did like Hank...but Hanks' self-loathing was such that he projected it onto them and he convinced himself that they hated him. His misanthropy was in part him projecting his own self-hatred onto all of humanity. In Rage of Ultron, part of Ultron's Breaking Speech towards Hank was pointing out how every time someone actually tried to show Hank love, it led to Hank resenting them for it. Because deep down, Hank could never really believe anyone could love him. Ultron goes so far as to claim that the reason Hank's never successfully destroyed Ultron for good was because Hank wanted Ultron to wipe out humanity.
Marvel Comics Hank Pym is kind of messed up. MCU Hank Pym otoh is just kind of an asshole.
Edited by M84 on Sep 7th 2020 at 12:10:47 AM
Disgusted, but not surprisedReginald Hudlin's Black Panther run was probably THE worst case of canonical Character Shilling ever.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian

"partly decided"
Again, no. We can't bring non-film justifications for things into the MCU, especially when they directly contradict what we actually saw or what we've been informed by Word of God.