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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#120777: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:29:03 AM

Strange is an interesting question given his hands are canonically beyond fucked so it depends a bit on the magic logistics of the Mjolnir. It might be that Strange lifts it but his broken hands can't wield the hammer properly.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120778: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:31:33 AM

Strange has too many inner demons to wield it imO, similar to Tony.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#120779: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:35:20 AM

Why doesn't Strange just fix his hands

>_>

With the magic he learned specifically to fix his hands with

Edited by FOFD on Sep 5th 2020 at 10:36:25 AM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#120780: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:36:05 AM

<_<

He has literal magic hands with which to fix his hands with! Magically! IE - at no personal cost to himself!

Edited by FOFD on Sep 5th 2020 at 11:00:41 AM

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#120781: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:37:43 AM

If he fixes his hands with magic it will mess them up even more

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120782: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:40:22 AM

There's a very clear explanation for it.

The explanation is:

Edited by Gaon on Sep 5th 2020 at 10:40:43 AM

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#120783: Sep 5th 2020 at 10:42:13 AM

This is just implication from the first movie but Strange totally could

Like the guy with the messed up back. But Strange would have to give up sorceroring and use his magic to just keep his hands fixed

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#120784: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:12:55 AM

The whole point of that movie, and the archetypical story it represents, is that Steven doesnt need to fix his hands, like on a personal level.

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#120785: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:22:05 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120786: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:25:19 AM

It's a pretty huge plot point in the film. The magic Dr. Strange uses doesn't really fix injuries, it just kind of continually alters reality so that the injury doesn't seem to be there. You have to keep doing it so that the injury doesn't come back, which means healing takes all your focus - pretty much forever.

Which means you have to make a choice between using your magic on other things (IE, saving the world) and using your magic on yourself.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 5th 2020 at 11:26:25 AM

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#120787: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:33:06 AM

[up] (3) But - he can have his hands back, and be a surgeon saving lives again.

[up]So then Marvel's magic system lets you fire magic bolts at people, summon massive forces of destruction, defy gravity, summon magic swords and shields and whips, redirect energy blasts into glass constructs, clone and astral project yourself, and access a pocket dimension where you can bend reality to your whim...

...but healing one's hands and/or spine is where magic draws the line. [lol]

Doesn't Strange have a spell that guards the Time Stone even after death. Guarding a cosmic artifact takes less attention/mana points than keeping his hands fixed.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 5th 2020 at 11:39:26 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120788: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:39:15 AM

Doesn't Strange have a spell that guards the Time Stone even after death. Guarding a cosmic artifact takes less attention/mana points than keeping his hands fixed.

Not if the underlying rules the writer of the magic system put down say it doesn't. Magic that functions as "I'm powerful enough, ergo I can do anything" is typically magic that's not very well written.

It's also worth noting that "wizards/sorcerers/whatever can use magic offensively, but doing so to help themselves directly is usually harder" is a common element of magical systems, mostly because it's a narrative check designed to keep the magic users from being impossible to write or instantly rendering the plot pointless - though it also typically fits in with ideological systems as well.

Or in short, magic doesn't (usually) work that way. "Magic A" Is "Magic A".

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 5th 2020 at 11:45:27 AM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#120789: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:43:31 AM

That's the point, he goes on a journey to fix his hands so he can be a doctor again.

In the course of that journey, he discovers a calling much higher than being a surgeon. He doesnt want to be a doctor anymore.

It's a very old sort of story.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120790: Sep 5th 2020 at 11:51:12 AM

He was a doctor for selfish reasons. Him not going back to that was a significant part of his character development.

I mean yeah, he probably could've gone back to that and do it out of altrustic reasons this time, but quitting alltogether had a more powerful message, in my opinion.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#120791: Sep 5th 2020 at 1:29:31 PM

Given how complicated the human body is (particularly when you're talking about damaged nerves, which is what Strange has) I can totally believe that using magic to fix an injury would be much harder than slinging energy blasts around or teleporting someone across universes. It's not about raw power, but about how intricate and precise you need to be.

KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#120792: Sep 5th 2020 at 1:42:51 PM

It was implied that the magic needed to fix his hands permanently involves assimilating the magic and would prevent him from using magic generally.

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#120793: Sep 5th 2020 at 1:44:11 PM

Biggest risk with healing his hands with magic would be the hands suddenly taking on a mind of their own,cos you know,enchanted hands

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#120794: Sep 5th 2020 at 2:02:21 PM

I really don't agree with Strange's being a selfish doctor being a negative. In the comics he was much more clearly a bad person, but in the films he's just very arrogant. I don't know, as long as the guy's good at his job what of it?

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120795: Sep 5th 2020 at 2:12:24 PM

He declined cases he deemed uninteresting or feared could damage his spotless reputation.

It went a bit beyond just being arrogant, he was totally self-centered.

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#120796: Sep 5th 2020 at 2:17:33 PM

or they didn't have insurance..

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#120797: Sep 5th 2020 at 2:19:35 PM

That's a problem to deal with in America, but this isn't a movie about fixing that giant mess.

Edited by Blueace on Sep 5th 2020 at 5:19:48 AM

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#120798: Sep 5th 2020 at 5:44:55 PM

He may have had selfish motivations as a doctor but he still took his oath damn seriously, as we see from his reaction after having to kill that one dude in self defense

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#120799: Sep 5th 2020 at 9:10:22 PM

@Earlier post: What are Strange's inner demons that we haven't seen him work through?

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#120800: Sep 5th 2020 at 9:17:29 PM

[up][up] Yeah, that's part of what caused Dr. Strange to stand out to me aside from the insane visuals, i like the whole Thou shall not kill trope so it's interesting to see SOME acknowledgement of it.

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