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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#120726: Sep 4th 2020 at 11:40:18 AM

I wonder if they'll ever do the "anyone can lift Mjolnir in space" thing in the movies.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#120727: Sep 4th 2020 at 11:54:17 AM

Well, Steve returned Mjolnir to the its original timeline. So, I doubt we'll see it again in the MCU for the time being.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#120728: Sep 4th 2020 at 11:56:39 AM

Though, Hank Pym's been unSnapped. He knows how to make Pym particles. They could go and grab a Mjolnir from the past anytime they want to.

They could do that for anything, really. Including characters who have died.

So they're probably going to spend the rest of the franchise pretending that's not an option for the sake of narrative tension.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120729: Sep 4th 2020 at 12:09:34 PM

They could also easily de-age Steve if and when Marvel Studio decides they want Captain America to make a shocking, surprise return.

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#120730: Sep 4th 2020 at 12:23:46 PM

It's basic comic book reality that everything is possible but they don't happen until they do for various labyrinthine reasons given by writers to keep everything from falling in abject chaos. MCU is just starting to approach that point.

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#120731: Sep 4th 2020 at 12:33:19 PM

[up]This is admittedly my concern about Eternals, although to be fair I feel the same way about DC and the New Gods. These are forces of insanity the world may not be ready for.

Edited by Beatman1 on Sep 4th 2020 at 3:33:43 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#120732: Sep 4th 2020 at 12:58:50 PM

Personally I think reforging Mjolnir from the fragments that were presumably left in that Norwegian field is the most likely route. No time travel shenanigans needed.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#120733: Sep 4th 2020 at 1:13:46 PM

Yeah. I mean, Jane has to get her hands on it somehow right?

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#120734: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:22:43 PM

Ways for Steve to have lifted Mjolnir in Andgame but not AOU:

  • Flexing on your drunk buddies at a party is not a worthy cause, but fighting Thanos for the fate of the universe is (my personal favourite)
  • Being polite to Thor
  • He became worthy over the intervening years

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#120735: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:27:07 PM

Flexing on your drunk buddies at a party is not a worthy cause

Blasphemy.

Being polite to Thor

This is why it took Steve several decades to get a date.

He became worthy over the intervening years

Then I wish they'd given Stark another shot at it too, because he went through way more growth than Steve did, and ultimately made the big sacrifice.

In all seriousness I guess those are valid answers. I don't really accept Steve being polite because the filmmakers said it outside of the film itself.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 4th 2020 at 2:29:06 AM

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#120736: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:51:06 PM

I feel like "drunkenly flexing on your friends" is exactly the kind of thing the Norse pantheon would consider a mark of worthiness.

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#120737: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:56:31 PM

Is Norse Mythology even more macho than Greek?

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#120738: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:56:55 PM

There's also the prima-nocta joke there......

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120739: Sep 4th 2020 at 2:58:19 PM

The Marvel Asgardians operate by different rules. If this was the actual Norse pantheon Thor would likely have never been stripped of his powers for being a Blood Knight, he'd have been commended for it. The whole War Is Hell theme of the first Thor movie (and of the comics by extension) is very unlike Norse myths.

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#120740: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:02:33 PM

The Russos and Feige claimed that Steve was always worthy to lift the hammer, however McFeely and Markus claimed he wasn't while he was keeping secrets from Tony about his parents' deaths.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#120741: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:20:50 PM

I personally prefer the "Steve wasn't worthy at the time" explanation rather than "he was worthy, he was just dicking around with Thor". The latter option kind of takes away the impact of Vision lifting Mjolnir if one of the Avengers could actually lift it the whole time.

But on that note, do you think there was any other hero worthy enough to lift Mjolnir aside from the ones we've seen?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120742: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:23:24 PM

I don't see a reason why Carol would not be able to lift it as well.

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#120743: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:24:30 PM

To be honest, I don't quite see why Tony couldn't have been worthy by Endgame (apart from the fact that he's Tony). Homecoming Peter Parker might have been too.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120744: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:25:58 PM

Luke Cage oughta be able to do it as well.

Well.....at least BEFORE his Hazy-Feel Turn at the end of Season 2 grin

He was pretty much The Cape of the Netflix bunch.

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#120745: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:36:44 PM

The rules of Mjolnir are vague so that you can justify anyone

Especially Scott Lang, good dad

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120746: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:37:19 PM

Running the gauntlet:

  • Thor: Worthy.
  • Cap: Worthy.
  • Vision: Worthy.
  • Hulk: Confirmed to be unworthy. I feel like Banner wouldn't either due his inner demons, but Professor Hulk might.
  • Tony: No.
  • Widow: Might be unworthy going by all the talk of "Red in her Ledger" but it's an open question.
  • Hawkeye: pre-IW yeah, post-IW no.
  • The Twins: I think they wouldn't by way of their involvement with HYDRA and Ultron but Scarlet Witch has the better odds, evidently, particularly c. IW.

Bonus:

  • Star-Lord: Nope.
  • Rocket: Nope.
  • Drax: Nope.
  • Nebula: Nnnnope.
  • Groot: Definitely.
  • Mantis: Definitely.
  • Gamora: Quite possibly.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120747: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:40:13 PM

T'Challa could've done it as well, possibly.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120748: Sep 4th 2020 at 3:59:57 PM

T'Challa would probably be one of the best candidates to be worthy, given he's already an honorable warrior and king. He got over his bloodlust issue in Civil War too, much like Thor.

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#120749: Sep 4th 2020 at 4:02:08 PM

> Drax: Nope.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#120750: Sep 4th 2020 at 4:06:30 PM

Nah, I feel like Drax is just way too immature and unresponsible to be worthy.

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