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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#120551: Aug 28th 2020 at 9:17:39 PM

Hail to the king baby, hall to the motherfucking King.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 28th 2020 at 9:17:48 AM

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#120552: Aug 28th 2020 at 9:48:45 PM

Dear God. Black Panther was one of the few MCU films I've actually seen.

When my family gets streaming for Netflix the first movie I'll watch is Da 5 Bloods just to see his (maybe) final performance. Don't know if he has films that haven't been released yet.

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#120553: Aug 28th 2020 at 9:58:46 PM

[up] Rumor has it that he lend his voice in a What-If episode for that future animated Marvel Series.

Chadwick Boseman, I can't imagine what were his thoughts when he was battling this cancer. Everyone expects him to be the new star of the MCU, the new Captain America or Iron Man to lead a new generation of Avengers, unaware of his condition. But he must have known he may not live to see that future since his debut as Black Panther in MCU, so I wonder if he was prepared to pass the torch just in case.

Either way, he fought on till the Endgame and his character earned his happy ending there.

Rest in Peace, T'challa.

Edited by Shadao on Aug 28th 2020 at 9:59:07 AM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120554: Aug 28th 2020 at 9:59:17 PM

So now i wonder how Disney will handle Black Panther moving forward. Or if somehow Chadwick Boseman filmed his scenes.

[up] Yeah, i think Chadwick did have discussions with Ryan Coogler over his condition and what will happen to future movies.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 28th 2020 at 10:00:30 AM

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#120555: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:01:51 PM

What a terrible loss; Black Panther gave so many people hope and he was great in his other roles, he would've taken over Hollywood. Fuck cancer.

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#120556: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:04:35 PM

Doubtful. BP 2 wasn't in the next phase lineup last i remember and this might have been why.

I'd personally pass the mantle to Shuri. She's the character I could see easiest to slide into the role without disrupting possible plans they already had and still having a new character to build off of in this now leading role.

BP had a good support cast but I can't think of others to so easily fill the gap. Especially since, isn't it also a bloodline thing too?

Unless they simply recast him? The Character Died With Him is a trope for a reason but recasting is at least an option and one MCU has done before, if just not from a death as far as I know.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#120557: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:06:12 PM

Well Shuri is the best bet for the next lead, and she was the Black Panther in the comics was she not?

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#120558: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:07:53 PM

I wonder how they'll handle it in-universe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#120559: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:10:13 PM

[up][up] For a while she was.

Now she no longer is.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120560: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:10:22 PM

[up][up] I think they'd just make it a solo Shuri movie till they come up with a plan for what to do with T'Challa. I don't think they'll kill him off-screen. Like have T'Challa conveniently off-camera for the entire duration for now.

[up] What happened during her run anyway?

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 28th 2020 at 10:11:41 AM

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#120561: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:13:24 PM

Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther/T'Challa. And Kevin Feige would know the Unfortunate Implication in light of the War Machine recast debacle with the whole "Black Actors all look the same" BS from Ike Perlmutter.

The only way for T'Challa to be recast is if Boseman handpicked his successor before his death. And even that would be contentious among fans.

Edited by Shadao on Aug 28th 2020 at 10:14:54 AM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#120562: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:13:30 PM

i'm absolutely gutted. rest in power, chadwick. :'(

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#120563: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:23:10 PM

[up][up] Jeez, another reminder of absolute scum like Ike Perlmutter.

What a day.

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#120564: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:24:07 PM

Shuri I feel like is close enough to T'Challa that she can grow off of his character development and avoid treading familiar ground while most others would need a 'warm up' for lack of a better term.

To get them to roughly where he was after his first solo outing.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120565: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:45:18 PM

I couldn't believe it when I first read it. Rest in peace to Mr Boseman a d my condolences to his friends and family.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120566: Aug 28th 2020 at 10:47:45 PM

If they're going to transition to a new lead, Shuri is the best bet.

The problem is getting there without a Bus Crash.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#120567: Aug 28th 2020 at 11:01:34 PM

Like I said, having T”Challa off-camera in a hypothetical Shuri lead movie while they figure things out is a reasonable move.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 28th 2020 at 11:01:52 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120568: Aug 28th 2020 at 11:03:58 PM

If Marvel is moving towards an Ewing's Ultimates movie, I wonder if that means Shuri would take T'challa's place on the team.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120569: Aug 28th 2020 at 11:59:16 PM

Man, what a year 2020 has become.....

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#120570: Aug 29th 2020 at 12:22:50 AM

I made a conscious decision to cease posting in this thread after endgame so I could take a break from the MCU, but after hearing about this shocking and upsetting development I couldn't help joining in the chorus of blessings for Boseman's family. They had to keep this in mind for years, so my heart well and truly goes out to them.

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#120571: Aug 29th 2020 at 1:16:14 AM

I really am hoping they don't re-cast the role, as I'm generally not a fan of The Other Darrin trope. Yes, the MCU has done it twice with Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle, but to me it's very hit-or-miss. It's especially glaring if the different actors' styles are very different, and since we're talking about movies with a shared universe, it's incredibly jarring.

All that said, RIP Chadwick Boseman.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#120572: Aug 29th 2020 at 1:29:57 AM

The only reason they were able to get away with Mark Ruffalo and Don Cheadle was because of Early-Installment Weirdness when the MCU was first being established. All the other cases of this were for minor characters or cameos. It's something that'd be impossible to get away with in the case of leading man T'Challa himself, and I doubt many in the audience would be willing to give Disney a pass for this if they tried to pull that off.

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#120573: Aug 29th 2020 at 1:42:39 AM

I remember there was once talk by Feige of recasting Iron Man if Downey Jr left in Iron Man 3, at one describing a perpetual recast a la James Bond, but they instead opted to eventually end his character for the foreseeable future.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 29th 2020 at 1:45:16 AM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#120574: Aug 29th 2020 at 1:49:11 AM

That was a real blow.

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HalfFaust Since: Jan, 2019
#120575: Aug 29th 2020 at 1:52:40 AM

Rest in power.

I wouldn't be too surprised if there was already some behind-the-scenes talk about what would happen in this eventuality. Though for sensitivity reasons, we probably won't hear about that for some time.


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