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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#120426: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:31:57 PM

God, I love Fight As One. And EMH in general.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#120427: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:40:14 PM

I think I've said this before, but I deeply appreciate the patience they had to save Cap wielding Mjolnir for Endgame. They could just as easily have had Cap pick up Mjolnir in 2012, but nope - they had the foresight, faith, and restraint to know that Hammer Cap would have much more impact seven years later.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120428: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:54:23 PM

[up][up]Have my favorite version of the "EMH opening but live-action" trend:

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#120429: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:55:57 PM

There wasn't any earlier reason or opportunity for Cap to seriously pick it up. They may have intentionally written it that way, or it might've been circumstance.

The worthiness requirement in Avengers 1 was just used to slow down Hulk momentarily in their fight. It hadn't earned its significance yet. In Age of Ultron, it was used for a joke in the party scene, and then "paid off" with Vision later in the film, once that worthiness requirement was actually hammered (puns) home to the audience with the earlier party scene.

And then those were the only times Cap was seen around Mjolnir until endgame.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120430: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:57:36 PM

Ah the days when cartoons still had cool openings.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#120431: Aug 25th 2020 at 6:16:02 PM

Man, I remember thinking we were never gonna get that scene after Mjolnir was destroyed in Thor: Ragnarok.

I only realized Endgame had given us that opportunity again just seconds before it actually happened.

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#120433: Aug 25th 2020 at 7:59:24 PM

[up][up][up]That's what I mean. They could've done Cap + Mjolnir for the fanservice in Avengers 2012 or in Ultron, even though the threats in either case wouldn't really warrant it. Instead, they saved it for what was probably the very last battle Cap will see on screen, and it ended up being way more impactful than it would have otherwise.

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#120434: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:28:39 PM

I kinda wish Thor would say something along the lines of "I will have words with thee!" like that badass scene from EMH.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120435: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:29:45 PM

That scene is from the comics.

I'm very sad it didn't make in any of the movies (yet, I suppose).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120436: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:31:55 PM

I'm sad that Cap's speech against Thanos was omitted.

Captain America: As long as one man stands against you, Thanos, you'll never be able to claim victory.

Thanos: Noble sentiments from one who is about to die.

Captain America: I've lived my life by those sentiments. They're well worth dying for.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120437: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:36:55 PM

That's another one that saddens me. They even had the perfect beat for it, when Cap has his shattered shield and is walking towards Thanos.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
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#120438: Aug 26th 2020 at 3:45:21 AM

> This is explained in-movie. Thanos’s homeworld, Titan, has a population problem. He proposed killing half the population to fix it. Everyone thought that was a dumb idea, and his planet was ultimately destroyed by overpopulation.

I know that part,but I've always suspected Thanos's account was'nt entirely truthful

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120439: Aug 26th 2020 at 3:49:31 AM

There is nothing to suggest otherwise.

Just in terms of Gamora's home world being a paradise now, there is the conflicting information from GOTG that she is the only survivor and Word of God tried to reconcile this by saying "Maybe Thanos isn't entirely truthful".

But that would be out of character, given that even Nebula went out of her way to say that her father is many things, but not a liar.

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ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#120440: Aug 26th 2020 at 5:09:35 AM

Gunn has basically stated he wanted to revisit that, and it was only a freeze frame bonus IIRC from the first film never mentioned outloud.

Given that Gunn read the IW/Endgame scripts and DID make changes tells me he was cool with this reveal.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120441: Aug 26th 2020 at 5:11:47 AM

Well Adam Warlock could be a descendant of the Titans & of Thanos specifically, who knows.

It could be possible.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#120442: Aug 26th 2020 at 7:21:52 AM

One theory I heard was what really killed off Titan's population was their planet being off its axis, since that's the first thing Quill notes when they land on the planet. However, because Titan was overpopulated at the time, Thanos just assumed that was what really drove his people to extinction and he never stopped to consider any other factors that led to it.

Because otherwise, how does a society being wiped out just cause the planet to go off-balance? Unless Titan was like that to begin with, but still...

ShadowWingLG Since: Dec, 2013
#120443: Aug 26th 2020 at 8:41:57 AM

IIRC the theory is if a planet goes off its axis it could cause a huge environmental shift on the planet and that would of course cause massive deaths and climate disruption at minimum.

If the people of Titan couldn't adapt fast enough they would be heading for an extinction level event regardless of the current level of overpopulation.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120444: Aug 26th 2020 at 8:54:20 AM

I'm sad that Cap's speech against Thanos was omitted.

Captain America: As long as one man stands against you, Thanos, you'll never be able to claim victory.

Thanos: Noble sentiments from one who is about to die.

Captain America: I've lived my life by those sentiments. They're well worth dying for.

He doesn't give the speech, but I noted (and it was included in the awesome moments section for Endgame) that the scene where Cap straps a damaged shield to his arm and faces Thanos' entire army on his own before the Calvary arrives (on his left) is anagolous to that scene from the comics.

He's literally the one many standing against Thanos and his victory, and they are noble sentiments that Cap is very much willing to die for. I wish I could remember my original post about it too, since I wasn't the one who put it in the awesome moments section. I don't know if it's in this thread, or the Endgame thread to be honest.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120445: Aug 26th 2020 at 9:48:42 AM

I guess it was felt less was more in regards to Cap just standing up again against overwhelming odds

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#120446: Aug 26th 2020 at 10:15:44 AM

[up][up] Yeah, you don't need to actually have the verbal exchange when it's meaning was clearly communicated without either character saying a word.

It's mostly a situation where movies have the advantage in nonvebal communication because they have orders of magnitude more frames to depict visuals, while comic books have the advantage in verbal communication because they don't need to worry about pausing the action to create enough time for a line of dialog to happen.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120447: Aug 26th 2020 at 11:41:45 AM

Someone posted one of those "classic themes set to the MCU" vids last page, and I wanted to chime in with one of my favorites.

Also, I love this one - it's not a classic Marvel theme, but it's one of the best of its kind I've seen.

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#120449: Aug 26th 2020 at 4:03:36 PM

[up][x6] Yeah, it definitely makes a lot of sense narrative-wise if Thanos was wrong about the very reason behind the events that motivatied him. A big part of Endgame's premise is that he was sort of right about the environmental effects of his plan, like with Steve mentioning the whales coming back... but the people were NOT prospering, because overpopulation wasn't the issue he thought it was.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120450: Aug 26th 2020 at 4:06:34 PM

"There are whales in the bay" is the MCU's "Venice's water is clearer, nature is healing".


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