TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#120401: Aug 25th 2020 at 10:01:08 AM

> Peter might have been a bit more open to EDITH if that happened, maybe.

I'm picturing Peter attacking Thanos with an army of drones,Thanos waves his hand and oops

the drones are on his side now

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120402: Aug 25th 2020 at 10:12:08 AM

If you’re going by who “deserved” to get revenge on Thanos Gamora and Nebula would have been on top of the list

The movie wasn’t interested in playing that game. They gave the win to Tony to bookend Iron Man starting the franchise

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#120403: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:29:44 PM

[up]Goddamn it I'm still mad about that. It's probably my biggest problem with Endgame (alongside the death of Natasha).

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120404: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:37:26 PM

[up][up] Hey if they really deserved it then they should have taken the chance.

In the game of revenge, when a lot of people want to kill one guy, it’s more first come first serve.

Nebula could have killed Thanos the 1st time but she hesitated & so Thor got it first.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#120405: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:39:54 PM

Didnt nebula kill the first thanos? the one who used the gauntlet?

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#120406: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:39:54 PM

As it is, the entire universe would have liked a shot at Thanos after what he did.

Wake me up at your own risk.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120407: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:40:36 PM

[up][up] Did Nebula cut off his head with Stormbreaker?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120408: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:43:37 PM

There is something to be said that Nebula, having seen how empty revenge was, prioritized trying to reach out to her sister Gamora instead

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#120409: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:51:01 PM

I'm not an unbiased party, I admit. I love the Guardians films and the 2nd one especially made the Gamora/Nebula/Thanos thing more compelling and fleshed out, and after Infinity War I was like "okay, Gamora's death was a rotten and unnecessary way to go out but Nebula's still around and now they've got the chance to bring everyone including Gamora back and more specifically the two sisters have their chance to kick Thanos' ass hard and get some sort of closure for all the hellish abuse he's put them through all their lives."

But no, there's no proper encounter between them, Gamora as we knew her is still dead, and Tony Stark gets the cathartic killing of Thanos and his armies that should've gone to the sisters. Basically the ultimate and most egregious culmination of Tony subsuming the franchise when he really shouldn't be.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120410: Aug 25th 2020 at 12:53:04 PM

The possible upside is that it killed him and I’d rather Gamora and nebula not die

Which doesn’t rule out Thanos being killed another way but this specific method I don’t begrudge letting Tony have

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#120411: Aug 25th 2020 at 1:01:46 PM

I think if Nebula was going to kill Thanos, it should've been at the beginning of the film. I can picture Thanos admitting he was too harsh on her and her just chopping his head off out of rage.

I get why they had Thor do it, since he was the Avenger who had the most personal vendetta against him. It makes sense. But I'd say you wouldn't have to change much in his character arc if he wasn't the one to do it. He can still be a depressed mess, but this time it's because he didn't have his vengeance. You still got the basic concept of "killing Thanos didn't make me happier", just not have him be the one to personally do it.

Tony killing Thanos makes sense because... well, it's Iron Man. He's the one who started the MCU, so of course he's gonna be the one to take out the final boss. Having Nebula kill 2018!Thanos I think has more emotional weight to it than her being the one to kill 2014!Thanos.

But hey, at least we have the world of fanfics to fill that void.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120412: Aug 25th 2020 at 1:03:42 PM

Nebula killing Thanos and it being on Nebula-o-vision could also add a lot to Past Nebula's decision to double down and double down again on being the Loyal Daughter.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120413: Aug 25th 2020 at 1:19:55 PM

To be honest I don't get the direction Endgame went with of past Nebula being faithful to Thanos. From what we saw of her in Guardians, taking place just a day after the 2014 events in Endgame, she already harbored a lot of resentment towards Thanos and betrayed him the first chance she got.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120414: Aug 25th 2020 at 1:37:43 PM

I also found it a beit weird, considering that Thanos is at least a thousand years old, that the filmmakers made the distinction between "Warrior" Thanos and "Philosopher" Thanos.

I mean, measly 5 years shouldn't make such a huge difference in terms of attitude and physical prime for a being of that age.

For those who don't know what I'm talking about

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/avengers-endgame-young-thanos-nickname/

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 25th 2020 at 10:37:50 AM

Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#120415: Aug 25th 2020 at 1:38:57 PM

[up][up]I think it's a combination of Nebula being starved for genuine positive acknowledgment/2014 Thanos taking his future self's reflections that he was too hard on Nebula to heart, presumably under the idea that "hey, this guy snapped away half the universe, he must know what he's doing". Since he started treating 2014 Nebula with more than indifferent contempt, he basically cemented her loyalty.

[up]To be fair, much the same thing happens with Thor (though I think the switch from Ao U to Ragnarok Thor was a bit much), and Thanos went through quite a bit in those five years in terms of setbacks and loss.

Edited by Khfan429 on Aug 25th 2020 at 1:39:58 AM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120416: Aug 25th 2020 at 2:48:20 PM

Yeah, those five years were what saw his plan come to pass... And saw that he got beheaded for it as thanks. A pretty major blow to his philosophy I'm sure.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120417: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:02:15 PM

Thanos in endgame does seem to conclude that infinity war Thanos was wrong in general.

Regarding Tony killing Thanos, it makes a whole lot of sense from a Doylist standpoint. Iron man kickstarted the MCU, and the character had to be retired since RDJ wanted to call it.

Leviticus 19:34
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120418: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:06:18 PM

Less "wrong in general" and more "wow nobody appreciates all the cool stuff I did for them so I'm just gonna kill them all and replace them with faithful worshippers."

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120419: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:07:36 PM

I like that kind of hammers in how full of bullshit Thanos is. He can (he thinks anyway) destroy and recreate the universe and just creating more resources doesn’t occur to him because he’s super set on the killing half solution

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120420: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:14:39 PM

To be fair, I get the impression that the gauntlet can’t do that, simply because it’s trivially obvious.

Leviticus 19:34
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120421: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:16:00 PM

They really should have put this song in the movie.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#120422: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:17:49 PM

All I want to know is,what kind of trauma led Thanos thinking he needed to wipe out half the Universe?

My personal theory is that Titian was attacked by someone at some point and left him the sole survivor

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#120423: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:21:06 PM

[up][up][up] He is still hung up on what happened to his planet and is so arrogant he thinks all those ravaged civilizations would thank him for it. But it turns out that they'd just grieve the lost forever, would be doomed for a slow death and if they knew about him, anyone capable would have made a beeline to try and kill him.

[up] His planet hit overpopulation, he recommended killing half the inhabitants to save it and was rightfully called a madman.

Edited by Blueace on Aug 25th 2020 at 8:22:05 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#120424: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:21:37 PM

This is explained in-movie. Thanos’s homeworld, Titan, has a population problem. He proposed killing half the population to fix it. Everyone thought that was a dumb idea, and his planet was ultimately destroyed by overpopulation.

Leviticus 19:34
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120425: Aug 25th 2020 at 5:29:35 PM

Its incredible to think that had Iron Man bombed when it came out, we never would have gotten this.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Total posts: 186,763
Top