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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#120376: Aug 25th 2020 at 4:48:05 AM

Well if Hulk had stayed in school he'd get better grades!

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#120377: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:05:04 AM

I love how it was over before it even started. "Let him have his fun."

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#120378: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:07:39 AM

wtf pawned!

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120379: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:40:34 AM

They really did Hulk dirty in Endgame. Not only does he not get any sort of revenge, they basically just deleted the Hulk side of his character, between movies, and treat it like it's no big deal.

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#120380: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:42:37 AM

Hulk's CGI was probably crazy expensive on top of the all of the other CGI,it's regrettable,but you did get Professor hulk

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#120381: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:44:59 AM

Hulk doesn't deserve any revenge, and the actual Hulk persona wouldn't want it and is done being used as a weapon outside of his choice. That was kind of the point.

The characters who really got done dirty are the ones who actually had a reason to be feuding with Thanos personally, especially Drax and Quill.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#120382: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:46:06 AM

I'd call Hulk a coward but being Hulk smashed is not worth it

Just ask Loki

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120383: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:46:55 AM

[up][up][up] But... That's just it. CGI-wise I doubt there's much difference at all in terms of cost between Hulk and smart-Hulk. I think it was plot-driven. A consequence of not being able to make Hulk solo movies and Endgame already being a very story-dense, long movie. There just wasn't enough room to give his arc a proper conclusion.

[up][up] I'm not saying Hulk should have just straight up defeated Thanos or anything, but having him with Cap, Iron Man and Thor in their fight would have been nice. If anything, it would only make Thanos even more of a threat when they still don't beat him that way. He could also easily be given some motivation... Maybe have Betty Ross as a snap victim. Of course, she'd have needed to already be an actual established MCU character for that not to come across as fridging, so maybe not. He should be angry over Natascha's death though, surely. Bring back the concept of him getting stronger as he gets angrier, and there you go, it's justified for him to both want to fight Thanos and be more of a match.

Regardless, even if he doesn't get outright revenge on Thanos, I feel he deserved better than what was essentially being written out entirely. Banner didn't resolve his differences with Hulk, he just erased him.

Edited by FGHIK on Aug 25th 2020 at 10:57:30 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120384: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:57:14 AM

Hulk being the one to defeat Thanos would've been lame as hell.

This is a villain who cannot just be overcome by brute force. Would've felt wrong.

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FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120385: Aug 25th 2020 at 8:58:51 AM

[up] Not saying he should have beaten him at all. Just having him there with Cap, Tony, and Thor getting some hits in. It would only sell Thanos as even more of a threat when that's still not enough.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120386: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:02:31 AM

He truly isn’t the strongest there is anymore.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#120387: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:02:41 AM

I think it would have been good had the "origin of Professor Hulk" scene been included. Besides giving Infinity War a bit of hopefulness, it would have further developed the idea that Hulk's "revenge" on Thanos involves doing good rather than smashing. Well, with a bit of smashing.

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#120388: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:04:08 AM

There's not really a narrative reason for Hulk to go after Thanos at all. "He beat me up once after I attacked him" applies to many more characters, and is just as unjustified.

Honestly, there's not even a good narrative reason for Tony's "revenge" - "He's been in my head for years because I flew one of our nukes into space"? At least Thor had the refugee attack.

[up]Hulk's always trying to smash...

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Aug 25th 2020 at 11:04:54 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120389: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:05:20 AM

That would've been something else off course. In fact, he should've outright replaced Cap in my opinion.

Mjolnir or not, Steve had no business fighting the Mad Titan one-on-one (as awesome as that moment was). One hit should've logically turned him into red paste.

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#120390: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:07:43 AM

If you're worthy of Mjolnir, it gives you all the powers of Thor. Cap with Mjolnir was as strong as Thor+Captain America (so, like, if Cap is a 2 and Thor is an 8, Cap with Mjolnir is a 10).

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120391: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:10:27 AM

Problem is he was already taking hits from him BEFORE he wielded the Hammer and shrugged them off.

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#120392: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:11:21 AM

Also, IIRC, even unworthy Thor in Thor 1 was pretty darn strong and fought off several highly trained SHIELD personell.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 25th 2020 at 6:48:07 PM

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#120393: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:12:03 AM

[up][up]His shield is nigh-indestructible and absorbs kinetic force.

[up]Yeah, but he was clearly not superhuman. I don't think unworthy Thor was even on the same level as Cap.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 25th 2020 at 9:12:54 AM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#120394: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:28:32 AM

I'm fine with Cap surviving hits from Thanos. Yeah, logically he probably shouldn't, but that's just comic books for you. Consistent power levels aren't as important as what makes a good story or fight scene.

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#120395: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:29:04 AM

[up][up] I think Coulson asks Thor if he's Russian or something because he's seen a lot of organizations/nations who would really like someone with Thor's skillset? Once Thor eventually got captured, I mean. So unworthy Thor isn't superhuman, just a really buff guy who trained really hard to beat people up. Or I could be remembering wrong.

Edited by Altris on Aug 25th 2020 at 9:29:40 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120396: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:36:54 AM

Unworthy Thor was basically riding on centuries worth of combat experience, and the fact that he's still a pretty big dude.

By normal human standards, he's a Strong and Skilled Lightning Bruiser who was Taught by Experience.

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#120397: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:52:18 AM

Thinking back to the Thanos fight,could you imagine if Spiderman tried to fight him one on one?

Be glad he simply got snapped out of existence instead of brutally broken like Stark did

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#120398: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:54:23 AM

Peter might have been a bit more open to EDITH if that happened, maybe.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120399: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:56:04 AM

I'm reminded of how the climax to the Ultimate Avengers film had Cap as the only who held on in the battle against Hulk while he totaled every other Avenger.

Of course as I recall in the Ultimate-verse he actually is supposed to be superhuman.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120400: Aug 25th 2020 at 9:59:07 AM

I mean in the movies he is also more explicitly superhuman than in the comics, but still not to the level where he should logically survive a direct encounter with Thanos.

But yeah, I'll concede, good story should take precedent over pure power levels, this isn't DBZ.

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