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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
That's like saying Thanos could have used the stones to annihilate every single Avenger in Infinity War instead of playing cheap tricks on them.
Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
But that wasn't his goal, he always intended to kill half the universe.
He didn't even care about his own life afterwards, fulfilling his work was the only thing that mattered.
Whereas in Endgame, his 2014 self most definitely did want the Avengers and all their allies dead.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianPerhaps he did not send the orbital strike out of fear the glove would be lost in the rubble.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Personally I generally don't find the questions of "Why didn't X do Y and instantly win" all that interesting most of the time.
Usually the answer is some variation of "it wouldn't of actually made them instantly win".
In this particular case Thanos wouldn't of instantly won for the same reason he didn't instantly win when he ordered the bombardment in the actual movie, the Sorcerers were able to protect themselves and their allies with magical shields. In fact they would of likely been significantly better at it since they would be doing so as an organized block rather then in the chaos of battle.
I mean, the only reason he gave the order in the movie was because Wanda was kicking his ass that badly and he clearly got desperate.
But, just like his 2018 self, once he got off that throne, he was a force to be reckoned with.
Never make Thanos do it himself. It hurts.
One Strip! One Strip!There's the argument to be made that he was prioritizing punishing the Avengers for daring to stand up against him over victory at all costs in the earlier parts of the fight.
Hence why he personally beat the shit out of Iron Man, Thor, and Cap before bothering to summon his army to rub it in.
He does go right for the snap the first instance he can at the end but thats after the assembled heroes have proven to be quite capable and that two of them could body him.
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DOFP Quicksilver level maybe
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 24th 2020 at 11:08:22 AM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHonestly, with Quill unable to tap into his Ego born (HAH!) Celestial powers, Thor probably takes the place of third strongest person in the MCU....or fourth after Dr. Strange.
One Strip! One Strip!I don't know about Dr. Strange's raw power output, but I'd say he's either the most- or second-most deadly hero in the MCU by virtue of the versatility of his spells. He just happened to job for the entirety of Infinity War.
At risk of stepping into a power level discusson, it's clear that Carol has the power advantage over Strange. Maaaaybe Wanda too, but it's hard to compare them directly since Strange lost to Thanos with four stones and Wanda overpowered Thanos without any stones.
Yeah, I'd say the strongest heroes in the MCU right now are Carol, Wanda, Thor, and Strange.
But if you were to ask me who was the strongest character overall, I'd go with Dormammu. Yeah, weak to time loops, but he was a literal god who consumed countless worlds. He was only defeated because time was a foreign element in his dimension and Strange took advantage of that.
I think Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet probably stood a good chance against him, just by the nature of wielding the full power of the Time Stone.
Its a funny type of jobbing because it also made him look a lot more powerful and competent than all of his previous showings.
Dr Strange made getting stomped look good.
Three Earthlings and an Asgardian who lives on Earth now! EARTH MIGHTIEST PLANET! GET REKT HALA
Edited by Bocaj on Aug 24th 2020 at 12:11:37 PM
Forever liveblogging the AvengersHilariously, Ebony Maw might actually be close behind to Thanos without the Stones in terms of combat capability, though behind Thanos in physical damage output and durability. And that's part of why Thanos respected him so much. They complement each other well. Hell, Thanos let the Maw single-handedly lead the attack on Gamora's planet.
Ebony Maw, without any Stones, straight up beat Doctor Strange, and simultaneously repelled Iron Man and Wong (himself one of the more powerful heroes, respect Wong). Thanos needed 4 stones just to tie with Strange. Thanos beat a full power Thor (either with Mjolnir or with Stormbreaker). The Maw effortlessly restrained an injured Thor. Hell, some of the stuff the Maw was doing, Thanos would later copy by using both the Power and Space Stones, and the telekinesis is very similar to some of the things Wanda does.
I stan a Maw.
On a related note, I'm annoyed about how people latch on to Tony's "go home Squidward" or "genius billionaire playboy philanthropist" lines. He's quippy, but the important part is actually the context of the scenes.
- The Maw was rightly dismissive of Tony, since he was far stronger, and gave just as good an insult back. Even Strange had to agree with Maw's assessment of him as a "chattering animal".
- Cap wasn't referring to Tony's line was "I've met guys with none of that worth ten of you." The point isn't what you do with your genius, your money, or your persona, or even your philanthropy of giving when you can afford it. Cap's point was it's what you give when it's most challenging, when there's nothing more most people can give, that counts.
There's this youtube comment
that bugged me. Suggesting Cap should apologize to Stark because he has on his team Scott, a "Divorced, poor, delinquent, father."
I doubt that's how that interaction would go. I see it more as:
- Scott: "Family man, working class, rebellious activist against the do-nothing super rich."
- Steve: "I know guys with a lot more than you've had, who aren't even worth 1/10th of you. Welcome to the team."
Also, one of the most unsung heroes in the MCU: the Cloak of Levitation. I was so happy to see it got its own section on the Characters page for Doctor Strange.
Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Aug 24th 2020 at 12:27:15 PM
I can't believe someone would say something mean about Scott, the best dad in Marvel and so nice a guy he even likes Hank Pym.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThanos did wait until Odin and Hela were dead before popping in for a cup of Space Stone.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersMaybe Hela as well, yeah, though a battle between her and Maw certainly would be interesting.
What made Thanos so dangerous isn't just his extreme physical might after all, it's his intellect and ability to adapt as well, see how he dealt with Wanda and Carol, the only 2 beings to straight-up overpower him.
Edited by Forenperser on Aug 25th 2020 at 9:58:25 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianAnd while Thanos has similar or maybe greater physical power than the Hulk he's ALSO a very competent fighter in terms of technical skill. His beatdown of Hulk in Infinity War was very economical in the way he targeted pressure points and so on.
"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."

It's the same ship that failed to kill less than dozen Avengers standing around in a building completely undefended. The power of Plot Armor is immense.