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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#120251: Aug 16th 2020 at 11:27:48 AM

Feels like Endgame was one big rush to the big battle at the end

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#120252: Aug 19th 2020 at 11:25:43 AM

Random thought: what if ABC aired the MCU stuff that's coming to Disney+ after a few months or so? It'd be a major plus (heh) for anyone who doesn't have a Disney+ account and it'd give them incentive to check out the service. It could also help ward off streaming pirates, I think.

Or is regular TV already well on its way to obsoletion to even consider the idea? sad

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:31:28 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120254: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:57:31 PM

Also Marvel stuff on ABC has generally only done “okay” or “bad” in terms of views.

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#120255: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:58:49 PM

Unless your name is Inhumans, and we don’t talk about Inhumans.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120256: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:59:34 PM

Isn’t Kamala getting a show?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#120257: Aug 19th 2020 at 4:10:47 PM

[up] Yes. It's not for awhile though since it's the 5th Disney+ show on the schedule and the pandemic has made finishing filming any of them impossible.

Kamala Khan will also appear in the films after her show.

It's hard to say how they'll factor in her Inhuman origin since that's a fairly involved concept. However ultimately the precise origin of her powers isn't super important to the character the way it would be for, say, a member of the Royal Family.

They could do the whole Inhuman thing with her being exposed to terrigen mist in a small scale event and have some vehicle for explaining that she's a descendant of someone who was experimented on by the Kree.

Or they could go down a more ironic path and make her a mutant. Though that's dependent on the concept of mutants being introduced in the MCU prior to her series.

Edited by Falrinn on Aug 19th 2020 at 4:19:23 AM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#120258: Aug 19th 2020 at 4:10:49 PM

Zero chance. D+ is probably a higher priority now.

Drat. My family's too stingy for another streaming service... sad

Olivia Wilde is directing a Marvel movie for Sony, rumored to be Spider-Woman.

Found out about it almost immediately. Nearly thought it was saying she was in the role of Spider-Woman, so that's my bad. tongue

EDIT: Olivia Wilde teases the Internet by commenting on the Deadline article with a spider emoji. Spider-Woman's happening.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 19th 2020 at 7:36:50 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120259: Aug 19th 2020 at 4:54:24 PM

Jessica Drew appearing was teased at the end of the cancelled Silver and Black script, so she's sure to be considered by Sony. And we also know she'd be appearing in Spider-Gwen's Spider-Verse spinoff.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120260: Aug 19th 2020 at 4:55:08 PM

I'm curious whether they'll keep Kamala being an Inhuman.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#120261: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:08:47 PM

[up] I actually do think there's an honest chance they will make her a mutant instead. The precise origin of her powers isn't vital to the character, and there's just going to be more story potential with her being a mutant instead given the overall direction of the MCU.

In fact it's likely that the only reason she was an inhuman in the first place was because Marvel Comics were pushing Inhumans at the time of her creation. Now those same factors favor her being a mutant.

The only potential issue here is how Marvel intends to introduce mutants into the MCU. As a concept they work better as something that's been part of the setting from the beginning, but the MCU doesn't really have that luxury.

My personal guess is that it will ultimately revealed that mutants have always been around, but their numbers were so few historically no one was ever able to study them as a group. However some of the cosmic shenanigans that have occurred in the MCU have triggered an explosion in the mutant population. That nicely lets them explain why mutants haven't been a thing in the MCU previously, but there's a whole bunch now, while still allowing some wiggle room for specific mutants to predate current events when it's important to the character.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#120263: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:18:38 PM

[up]If anything MCU can favour her being a inhuman give inhuman suddenly show up thanks to Ao S, granted MCU barely care what Ao S have to said so......

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120264: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:22:46 PM

Agents just had its series finale, so I don't see Marvel including a tie-in to a show that's literally over.

(Ahhhhh, it feels so nice to type "Agents isn't canon to the movies" and not get trapped in a 40 page argument over it... tongue)

Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#120265: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:37:34 PM

I wonder if Coulson will randomly show up in a movie and say something like "Sup. Not dead. How are things?"

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MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#120266: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:44:22 PM

There really aren't many characters left with whom Coulson had a notable connection. Tony and Nat are dead, Steve's arc is over, Thor is off with the Guardians, and I don't remember Coulson having any interactions with Clint or Banner at all. The best time for a Coulson cameo probably would've been Tony's funeral.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#120267: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:46:33 PM

Tony is not dead, he is tahiti.

I heard is a magical place.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120268: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:47:26 PM

I think the one time Coulson spoke to Clint was in Thor 1 when they were defending the hammer, and that was nearly a decade ago.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Knows-Many-Things
#120269: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:58:03 PM

Coulson "died" in 2012, if they had any desire to rectify that we'd have seen him by now. At this point it would be fanservice to the very, very specific group of people who still care.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#120270: Aug 19th 2020 at 6:14:22 PM

Rewatching Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm reminded of why I liked it in the first place. The whole thing is one big fun action-packed joyride with surprisingly serious character moments to balance out perfectly. Plus, I like space as a setting because the big action scenes fit perfectly.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#120271: Aug 19th 2020 at 6:30:22 PM

We're probably reaching straws here, but...

Josh Gad praises the recent news regarding Olivia Wilde...and she responded to it.

What's weird is that Josh tagged Marvel Studios and Olivia made no attempt to correct him.

Again, might be absolutely nothing, but let's keep a collective ear to the ground just in case...

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120272: Aug 19th 2020 at 6:41:44 PM

Speaking of Josh Gad... can't help but wonder who a good Marvel role would be for him. But then, I think that about everyone.

I actually think he would make a fantastic Arcade.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#120273: Aug 20th 2020 at 7:26:51 AM

I'm suddenly reminded of how the Coulson/Clint ship used to be absolutely omnipresent, somehow, despite being an enormous crackship, and how it went from nearly everyone shipping it to nobody caring in the span of a couple of years.

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#120274: Aug 20th 2020 at 8:23:55 AM

Agents of SHIELD now feels sadly like one of those Expanded Universe things that the main work takes care of never so much as acknowledging.
At least the Coulson fans have been able to get their fix in Captain Marvel, which by the way did not outright contradict AoS (and even hinted that Kree blood could be used to revive humans, which was a big plot point in the series), so who knows.

I feel kinda ashamed that the only role of Josh Gad I can think of right now is Olaf, which makes it kinda difficult for me to imagine him in an MCU role, apart maybe as HERBIE.

Edited by C105 on Aug 20th 2020 at 5:26:07 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120275: Aug 20th 2020 at 8:48:14 AM

I think that Agents of Shield really only became non-canon as of Season 6 and 7.

As pointed out, nothing in Captain Marvel contradicts it (and it might even explain where they got that Kree body from), Season 1 directly leads into Winter Soldier, and a lot of the stuff happening in 2-4 at least references some other movies in some way.

Season 5 even directly points out that Thanos is on his way to Earth and hints that the events of Infinity War are taking place at the same time.

Then comes 6 and 7 where they just went off the rails.

Yeah, the connection is super loose, and not even there on the movies end, but it was there up until Endgame made it impossible.

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