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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#120201: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:20:32 AM

It was a plot point in Fatal Attractions that Magneto had received a power boost increasing his control over magnetism but that he was also losing himself in a straight up god complex. I feel like the more power he exerts, the more his mind goes.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#120202: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:23:01 AM

Which is something he has in common with the rest of his family. Scarlet Witch and Polaris anyone? Quicksilver not so much - his power just made him an impatient asshole.

Edited by M84 on Aug 14th 2020 at 11:23:26 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120203: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:24:39 AM

Don't forget Quicksilver. Huge dickhead.

(And yeah, I know they have been retconned to not be his family OR Mutants, but fuck Rick Remender, seriously tongue)

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120204: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:27:55 AM

The oops power makes you specifically evil Wanda thing is why I’m glad she isn’t magnetos daughter anymore

I wouldn’t mind if she was a mutant but I hope she and Pietro never get rererereretconned to be magnetos kids again

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 14th 2020 at 11:28:24 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120205: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:56:21 AM

Ian McDiarmid in the MCU would be fantastic. But I definitely doubt they'd be willing to resist giving him an Actor Allusion and having him play what is effectively the Emperor.

If it wasn't for the fact that it would probably be an action-intensive role and McDiarmid is quite old, I wouldn't mind having him play DOOM.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120206: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:58:05 AM

He is way too old for that.

Doom is a middle-aged man.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120207: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:58:28 AM

You could have him do the voice and someone else in the Doom suit. Like what was done with Vader.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120208: Aug 14th 2020 at 8:59:54 AM

Even better, McDiarmid as Shuma Gorath.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120209: Aug 14th 2020 at 9:01:06 AM

Why him for that role if I may ask?

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Calendar enthusiast
#120210: Aug 14th 2020 at 9:04:25 AM

I strongly feel the Morlocks should be present in the MCU.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#120211: Aug 14th 2020 at 12:39:06 PM

And from what I understand electromagnetism is the reason that all matter doesn't pass through each other or fall apart.

I wanna see Magneto start flinging degenerate matter at people.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#120212: Aug 14th 2020 at 3:16:00 PM

So in other words, just making everything you use against him out of plastic, wood, or something non metallic (barring if such options are even viable) will only prevent him from snatching those things away from you, and won't stop him from throwing something else at you or just electro-zapping you then?

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#120213: Aug 14th 2020 at 3:39:29 PM

The highest end interpretation of Magneto's powers lead to the inescapable conclusion that he's really Molecule Man in disguise.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#120214: Aug 14th 2020 at 3:59:07 PM

Have we ever seen them in the same room at the same time?

I guess in Secret Wars. Never mind.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#120215: Aug 14th 2020 at 5:42:06 PM

I just finished making a rough timeline of the MCU because I wanted to be able to understand Avengers: Infinity War and explain it to the family. Probably got some things wrong, but this took me roughly two hours without all the Netflix series. Sure, all the interconnectedness is great for the universe and all because it makes it seem more realistic, but dang does the Continuity Lock-Out hit hard.

And no, I did not get into the time travel shenanigans in Avengers: Endgame, mostly because I don't think we're gonna get to it since we have limited time. I guess I'll call Timey-Wimey Ball when it becomes relevant.

On another note, I just realized that I really like the movies that focus on the intersection between superheroing and civilian life, like Thor or that one scene in Captain America: The First Avenger where Steve is out in modern New York. Also Ant-Man, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and The Incredible Hulk, which I have not watched but had to read recaps of for the list and now make me want to watch the movies.

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#120216: Aug 14th 2020 at 5:47:17 PM

You'll probably like the Ant-Man movies for the innovative fight scenes. The Incredible Hulk just feels like it's from an entirely different franchise, so know that going in.

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Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#120217: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:02:21 PM

Yeah, didn't The Incredible Hulk have licensing issues with Sony or something and that's why it's not on Disney ? Weird, but I don't understand corporate law or politics.

Honestly, as long as the Ant-Man movies don't have too many Bay-splosions at the final battle I'll be grateful. Most of the other movies in the franchise that I've watched suffer from that and that's part of the reason why they've started to bleed together in my head.

Except for Thor, because in spite of the Destroyer being a magic armor thingie that shoots lasers from its head, the pivotal moment of that scene is Thor telling Loki "you can kill me if you want but lay off the innocent mortals". I always liked that that moment (and possibly also him realizing he can't fight alongside Sif and the Warriors Three, and helping evacuate the civilians instead) was what made Thor worthy of Mjolnir.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#120218: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:00:31 PM

Ant-Man doesn't have many explosions. Plenty of implosions though.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MileRun Since: Jan, 2001
#120219: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:12:00 PM

The hangup with Hulk-branded movies lies with Universal. Marvel-Disney is lucky Universal didn't see the value in the Hulk character back when Marvel Studios negotiated license to use the Hulk as much as they want in the MCU.

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#120220: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:32:21 PM

Huh, good to know.

Also, I finished watching Infinity War, and it was ...I'm not sure, actually. The move glosses over all the interesting things with a 2-year timeskip. Also, if Black Widow stopped pausing for one-liners Proxima Midnight and the non-telekinesis non-brute guy would have died a lot earlier. Heck, if everyone stopped pausing for one-liners the movie would have been a lot quicker. The world's facing a sudden disappearance of half the population, if the wisecracking wasn't killing the tension I would care more. Serious Hype Backlash on this for me, though I suppose it doesn't have much rewatch value after the big twist at the end.

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#120221: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:39:33 PM

That’s the Marvel syndrome, everyone’s gotta be quippy & popping one-liners every movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 14th 2020 at 11:42:27 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#120222: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:45:43 PM

I was reading a livetweet of The Incredibles yesterday and the guy said that the "I wanted to go bowling" bit is now every line of every superhero movie.

Personally I think films like Thor Ragnarok can succeed at being mostly comedy while others like Black Panther can succeed with being mostly serious but Infinity War hit an awkward spot for me where it alternates too quickly between grim massacres and Children of Men homages to snarks about ice cream flavors and Squidward.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 14th 2020 at 11:46:29 AM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#120223: Aug 14th 2020 at 11:54:07 PM

Less than a minute or so after the harrowing, tragic Vormir scene we have Okoye quipping about Starbucks and the joke with Bruce bowing to T'Challa. Just a little jarring.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120224: Aug 15th 2020 at 1:50:42 AM

I think that problem has less to do with Infinity War being too funny and more to do with Infinity War having several plotlines with so little to do with each other that they don't transition between each other very well.

Okoye's snark is perfectly in tune with where the Captain America / Earth plot was at that point in time (when last we saw them, it was Rhodey's cool shutdown of Ross and the awkward scene of everyone meeting up again), but didn't line up with where the Guardians' plotline was (IE, at the culmination of a very dark series of events).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 15th 2020 at 1:51:12 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#120225: Aug 15th 2020 at 9:34:22 AM

That and infinity war feel the stakes are higher and therefore more..."serious" than regular marvel movie.

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