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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#120176: Aug 13th 2020 at 7:04:21 PM

I'd be ok with the wooden gun if, after he fails to manipulate it, Reed uses it as a club.

I mean, if it's thick enough wood, it would work. Of course, that would only work if Erik didn't have him helmet....or Reed aimed for the face.

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#120177: Aug 13th 2020 at 7:05:27 PM

[up][up] I don't know about that, if you are defeated by a wooden gun then you at least have been defeated by someone (or at least the work of someone) smart enough to construct a gun out of wood that doesn't simply explode in the hand of anyone who tries to pull the trigger.

And that's such an impressive feat of craftsmanship there's no shame in losing to it.

Though honestly it would be a lot easier for someone to just go full caveman and make a wooden bow and some arrows with flint heads. Magneto's powers would be worthless against such a weapon.

Edited by Falrinn on Aug 13th 2020 at 7:05:18 AM

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#120178: Aug 13th 2020 at 7:11:22 PM

You don't need to fire a gun made of wood, just point it at Magneto and convince him his powers no longer work. Then he'll peacefully surrender and even after learning of the deception, gracefully accept being put into a metal police car by officers with metal guns and badges to be driven off to a metal prison and be put behind metal bars.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#120179: Aug 13th 2020 at 7:11:38 PM

I'm pretty sure his electromagnetic forcefields would still stop those arrows.

True, he has to know they're there, but still.

Plus they'd still need to aim for the face or neck, because he wears body armour most of the time.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120180: Aug 13th 2020 at 8:38:59 PM

I mean, the FOX movies already had the military use plastic weapons and darts against Magneto.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120181: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:31:25 PM

Inb 4 the MCU has guns made of solid stone.

It occurs to me that Killer Croc could beat Magneto by hitting him with a rock.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 13th 2020 at 9:31:56 AM

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#120182: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:33:08 PM

That's how Squirrel Girl...... 's evil twin beat him.

Dropped the Thing on him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#120183: Aug 13th 2020 at 10:15:10 PM

Wow this is relevant moment due to current events.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 13th 2020 at 10:16:31 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120184: Aug 14th 2020 at 12:55:02 AM

Magneto in Apocalypse (say what you will about that movie) finally came closer to his comic books self in terms of power.

Dude doesn't just control metal, he has power over the entire magnetic field. He can manipulate energy on a molecular level.

Plastic and wood ain't gonna do shit to stop him.

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#120185: Aug 14th 2020 at 5:39:38 AM

Magnetism as a power is OP.

Just remember our blood has certain properties that can be affected by magnetism.

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#120186: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:07:29 AM

Magneto has mastery over one of the fundamental forces of the universe. If he really went all out he'd probably be not far short of godlike in his power.

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#120187: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:09:02 AM

[up] The "iron in the blood" thing is a myth. We don't have elemental iron floating around; it's all bound up with other molecules. If someone injected iron directly into your blood (hypothetically), at best the body would filter it out and at worst it would poison you. TL;DR: the human body is not magnetic.

If you have the ability to interact with the magnetic properties of individual atoms or electrons regardless of whether they are in compounds, then you're so godlike that calling your powers "magnetism" is kind of missing the point.

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Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#120188: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:27:35 AM

[up] There was a point in time were one of Magneto's abilities was to have a "magnetic attraction". That is, his magnetism powers let him brainwash someone and take control of their minds.

So being a blood bender isn't that much of a stretch when you consider that his magnetism let him take control of someone.

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#120189: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:31:24 AM

From what I understand, comics Magneto has complete and absolute control and manipulation of the entire force of electromagnetism.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 14th 2020 at 6:31:55 AM

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#120190: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:51:37 AM

Nerf Magneto plz

and buff Wolverine

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120191: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:51:39 AM

To put it easily, he is a high-level energy manipulator.

The 'controlling metall' thing is just a tiny aspect of his incredible power. And in the comics, that aspect went to 'Redirecting a giant, planet killing object probably light years away back to Earth to break it up and save Kitty Pryde' levels.

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#120192: Aug 14th 2020 at 6:57:35 AM

And that’s when he says no to drugs

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BOOXMOWO Since: Mar, 2013
#120193: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:10:22 AM

From what I understand, comics Magneto has complete and absolute control and manipulation of the entire force of electromagnetism.

And from what I understand electromagnetism is the reason that all matter doesn't pass through each other or fall apart. If Magneto's control over it is absolute than I think the list of things he can't do is pretty short. Why bother calling himself "Magneto" instead of "The Invincible Super-God-Man"?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120194: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:11:34 AM

and buff Wolverine

He's got an indestructible skeleton and a healing factor that makes him functionally immortal. How much more could you possible buff him?

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#120195: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:19:34 AM

..give him sharper claws evil grin

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120197: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:27:59 AM

The only limitation is that whenever Magneto goes all out, he goes absolutely bugfuck nuts. Not unlike this:

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#120198: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:30:22 AM

Ian Mc Diarmid even looks like he could play Magneto. Palpatine's outfit in the prequels isn't unlike what Magneto wore in the first three Fox movies.

Edited by windleopard on Aug 14th 2020 at 7:33:03 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#120199: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:43:30 AM

The drawback to Magneto's powers is that, when he uses them to an extent, he tires himself out physically.

And once his near-indestructible shields are down, he is easy to hurt.

Edited by Forenperser on Aug 14th 2020 at 5:06:19 PM

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#120200: Aug 14th 2020 at 7:55:49 AM

Basically, Magneto tapping into the full power of electromagnetic force takes a severe mental and physical toll on him. Anything more complex than "move a lot of metal around" is strenuous.

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