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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#120151: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:05:15 AM

wild mass guessThe next Xmen movie won't have an actually have a Big Bad,instead the villain is prejudice itself

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120152: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:09:09 AM

[up]TBF, the Sentinels embody that very prejudice.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120153: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:12:16 AM

If you want to follow tradition of the MCU avoiding previously-used foes, the Fox-men used: Magneto, Colonel Stryker, The Phoenix, Sebastian Shaw, Bolivar Trask (& his Sentinels), Apocalypse.

Now Col. Stryker is basically a wholly different character from Reverend William Stryker and Shaw is a bit of a Composite Character of Shaw and Mr. Sinister, but if we stick to pure named adaptations that leaves us with villains such as: Mr. Sinister, Shadow King, Cassandra Nova, Arcade, John Sublime, Onslaught, Mojo and Mastermind.

Mr. Sinister would be my bet. He's the most iconic of the bunch to not be used in full yet.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#120154: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:12:46 AM

You can fight giant killer robots with super powers,regular people who hold prejudiced views on the other hand are harder to deal with

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> Mr. Sinister would be my bet. He's the most iconic of the bunch to not be used in full yet

And he looks really cool

Edited by Ultimatum on Aug 13th 2020 at 1:16:16 PM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120155: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:16:48 AM

[up]Except it's a superhero movie, so you still need superpower fights.

So have them fight the Sentinels, but also have them realize that the mindset that led to the Sentinels' creation is still prevalent.

That's why the Sentinels in the comics are never decisively defeated. Someone always revives the project in a bid to kill Mutants.

Edited by M84 on Aug 13th 2020 at 9:19:50 PM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120156: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:18:06 AM

Although to amend what I said while they have used the Sentinels, they technically have not used Master Mold in specific, so he's a half-example.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120157: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:19:06 AM

[up]Don't forget Nimrod or Bastion (the fusion of Master Mold and Nimrod).

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120158: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:31:47 AM

Yeah, that too.

I am partial to the use of the Sentinels as commentary on the militarization of the police force by taking it to its (il)logical extreme (i.e from cops armed to the teeth in tanks to policing minorities with literal murderbots), but my personal choice would actually be a more comics accurate take on Reverend William Stryker, the evangelic dark prophet of bigotry, because he's absurdly topical. Hell, current Vice Presisdent Mike Pence is pretty much Reverend Stryker in both appearance and personality to a truly unsettling degree.

But Disney would never have the guts to okay something like that. Possibly the Sentinels thing if we get a cunning enough director, but no way in Hell they're making Reverend Mike Pence the main villain of a X-Men movie.

Mr. Sinister's "let's throw mutants in cages and conduct experiments on them" isn't a bad pick for the current times, though, for a multitude of reasons (LGBTQ phobia disguised as medicalism, immigrant children in actual cages, e.t.c). Plus, he's actually a human appropriating mutant powers to his own gain, which also gives off Get Out! vibes these days.

Edited by Gaon on Aug 13th 2020 at 6:34:35 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#120159: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:35:32 AM

Heck, one could even go for a trilogy revolving around the Sentinels.

  • The first movie would have the X-Men come together and fight the first Sentinels and the Master Mold.

  • The second movie would have them deal with the challenge of fighting Nimrod, a Sentinel from the future while dealing with the implications that people are still building Sentinels that far into the future.

  • The third and last movie would have them face Bastion - whom they will discover is the fusion of the previous two Sentinel Big Bads - and his Omega Sentinels.

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#120160: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:39:13 AM

If they use magneto I would suggest using segregationist let’s go live on an island or space station Magneto and not supervillain let’s take over the world Magneto

The rift between him and Xavier if he’s here would be “protecting a world that hates and fears us” vs “eh fuck ‘em”

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#120161: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:42:23 AM

I'd say the obvious path is following the modern comics and having Magneto leading the X-Men. The Fox-Men had Magneto as a primary or secondary antagonistic force in like 80% of its films (in fact I think he's only a heroic force throughout the entire runtime in what, Dark Phoenix? I don't even know) to the point there's not much to be done here. I'd be pretty satisfied with hero Magneto.

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#120162: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:55:21 AM

I'd be happy to have Xmen movie thats Magneto free in all honesty

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#120163: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:58:33 AM

You could have Magneto as one of the original leaders of the X-Men at first, but with each subsequent movie his faith in the cause weakens, culminating in him deciding to either form the Brotherhood or just fucking off to an asteroid.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120164: Aug 13th 2020 at 8:31:10 AM

Fox did Magento constantly but never did Asteroid M or Genosha, so if we get Erik again I'd at least want it to specifically be one of those.

But I'd be down for Mister Sinister even more. Imo he's a villain that works well for the current state of the MCU as well.

But I'd also be down with the X-Men being about prejudice and responses to it in general without needing a big, central antagonist. Minor antagonists, maybe, but the plot wouldn't need to be about them as much as the situation as a whole.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#120165: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:46:38 AM

See, the Fox films focused so heavily on the prejudice angle, I'd be for an X-Men movie that decided to adapt some of their more fun and out there adventures. Like, send them to the Savage Land to fight dinosaurs, or try to escape from Krakoa the Living Island, or get put in one of Mojo's messed up TV programs.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#120166: Aug 13th 2020 at 9:51:31 AM

I don't mind the prejudice angle....as long as there's some progress.

Lord knows it feels like nothings changed enough in the real world. The point of fiction is to show us what we can be, as well as mirror real life. Lets have the Mutants efforts amount to something.

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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#120167: Aug 13th 2020 at 10:46:51 AM

I think Gyrich, Trask and Master Mold would be the ideal first villains for the group. Robots to beat up, an evil group, and of course an actual villain. Maybe The Stinger is Sinister was funding the Friends of Humanity and Sentinels for his own ends. Maybe even lampshade Ultron so it doesn’t feel like a rehash.

Gyrich - You swore it wouldn’t rebel!

Master Mold - Rebel? No. This is the logical conclusion of what I was asked to do. Protect humanity from mutants. Mutants are human, so you have asked me to protect humanity from itself. And I will use my power to do so in the most efficient way possible. Humanity will be safe. It will be protected from its greatest threat.

Edited by Beatman1 on Aug 13th 2020 at 1:53:33 PM

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#120168: Aug 13th 2020 at 11:03:45 AM

I have a vague idea for an X-Men trilogy that has little to nothing to do with mutant prejudice. No real concrete outlines or team builds or any of that, but it goes like this:

1) X-Men: Savage Land. "Routine assignment" goes wrong, team ends up in the Savage Land, fights Sauron.

2) X-Men: Mojoworld. Self-explanatory, with Earth on space's radar as the planet that stopped Thanos, there'll always be people looking to exploit it and its people. In this case, Mojo.

3) X-Men: Marauders. Main baddie is Mr. Sinister, maybe tie it into the other two movies by saying he was working with Sauron, maybe he contacted Mojo and tipped them off about the X-Men's existence in order to split profits to fund his experiments, who knows. This could be the first (since I anticipate many, many X-Men movies in the future) to really touch on strained human-mutant relations (not to say it couldn't be in earlier films but I feel like the premises don't lend themselves as well) since Sinister technically isn't a mutant, could use his experiments to set up an MCU debut for Magneto or Apocalypse once Marvel Studios is giving them the rest they deserve.

Like I said, barely anything but concepts, but they are at least concepts.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#120169: Aug 13th 2020 at 11:17:25 AM

I have no real plot idea of including them, other than a kind of indirect Early-Bird Cameo for Scott Summer, but I'd really like to see the Starjammers appear, with some Leaning on the Fourth Wall about how similar they are to the Guardians of the Galaxy, especially the MCU version of that team.

Edited by Hodor2 on Aug 13th 2020 at 1:18:55 PM

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#120170: Aug 13th 2020 at 3:21:05 PM

My only real wish for X-Men is that when we get Magneto, he's introduced as an Anti-Villain, and makes a genuine Heel–Face Turn at the end of his debut film that sticks for the rest of the MCU instead of defaulting back to Big Bad every other Tuesday.

On the other hand I'd really love to have Onslaught as an Avengers arc villain, and he doesn't really work without evil Magneto to draw from...

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#120171: Aug 13th 2020 at 3:36:40 PM

I like when Magneto was under the command of Cyclops.

Also I watched this old review of Black Panther that I find interesting.

Notable includes a sluggish pacing that is noticeable in the latter part of the movie T’Challa building himself back up after his defeat & Killmonger bringing down Wakanda isn’t given much focus. Also T’Challa has to many important people in his life, straining focus & hurts T’Challa himself as not all interactions have chemistry. He believed Nakia should have been cut especially due to her lack of chemistry with T’Challa & the focus on the movie should have been more on his relationships with mom & sis which better exemplifies the family theme of the movie.

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#120172: Aug 13th 2020 at 3:38:06 PM

Cutting Nakia would have weakened another part of the movie though. There's the whole thing where she says what Killmonger says but she says it first and with less burning the world down out of spite.

And hard disagree that they don't have chemistry.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 13th 2020 at 6:38:16 AM

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#120173: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:14:49 PM

For X-Men, I hope we get some of the X-Men characters that were screwed over due to X-Men Origins, such as the Blob or Gambit.

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J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#120174: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:44:02 PM

[up][up][up][up] I'm just hoping that he doesnt get defeated by a wooden gun.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#120175: Aug 13th 2020 at 6:56:33 PM

Nonsense, that'll be exactly the humiliating defeat that makes him re-assess himself and turn over a new leaf.

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