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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120101: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:18:54 PM

Besides Spider-Verse.

But when it comes to their DTV movies... the only one that really stands out in my mind is Hulk Vs., but that was over a decade ago.

Thor: Tales of Asgard is okay, if you want a cute-then-surprise-brutal adventure with young Thor and Loki, but it's still pretty darn forgettable.

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#120102: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:23:59 PM

I thought the animated Planet Hulk was pretty good.

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#120103: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:26:40 PM

[up] At least it had a happy ending, unlike the comic.

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#120104: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:30:49 PM

A shame we might never get Caiera here.

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#120105: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:31:12 PM

There's also that Hulk vs. Wolverine movie that had Deadpool's first animated appearance.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#120106: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:33:05 PM

Granted not all DC animated movie are also good, a lot of them are....meh at best.

Now, for me carol is kinda Marvel version of korra, she is powerfull but also a hothead, she should and can be trick....

Does carol have a rouge gallery or something?.

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#120107: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:47:27 PM

I feel like Spider-Man and the X-Men are the only Marvel franchises with a consistent rogues gallery.

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#120108: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:50:19 PM

Under the Red Hood, The Dark Night Returns duology, Year One, Crisis on Two Earths, All-Star Superman, Superman vs The Elite, Gods and Monsters, The Flashpoint Paradox, Return of the Caped Crusaders, The New Frontier, etc.

A lot of great movies, only the really recent batch in the New 52 inspired continuity are closer to meh.

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#120109: Aug 12th 2020 at 2:59:47 PM

I'm now picturing Captain Marvel 2 with comically overpowered foes for Carol

Squirrel girl anyone?

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#120110: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:03:50 PM

I mean, DC releases like three DTV animated films per year. Marvel's lucky if it bothers to release one. Of course DC's output is gonna vary a lot in quality, there's just way more material out there. They probably have just as many hits as they do misses.

And it's not as if Marvel doesn't release any animated films, it's just that a lot of them are unremarkable. I think part of that was how Marvel entertainment was structured for the last decade or so, but you can tell DTV cartoons were not their top priority.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:04:16 AM

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#120111: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:04:21 PM

There's also that Hulk vs. Wolverine movie that had Deadpool's first animated appearance.

Actually, Deadpool's first animated appearance was in the 90s X-Men cartoon.

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#120112: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:08:19 PM

By that point, did he already become the Merc with a mouth or was he still a Deathstroke ripoff?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120113: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:20:58 PM

I feel like Spider-Man and the X-Men are the only Marvel franchises with a consistent rogues gallery.

Iron Man has one, but his Rogues Gallery is a little weird. Iron Man's Rogues are largely made to be Mooks with superpowers, in a way most Rogues Galleries aren't. He has a lot of guys who were just minions or low level bruisers that ended up with supertech, largely physical threats only really identifiable by their one unique power and made to be thrown against any hero in any situation without needing explanation for an easy fight scene.

But the number of predominantly Iron Man enemies that can carry an arc is pretty low.

Beyond those villains, Cap + Iron Man + The Avengers basically share a single Rogues Gallery.

Hulk has a consistent Rogues Gallery, it's just that restrictions have prevented most of them from being adapted in the MCU. Thor has one as well. Daredevil's got a chance to shine (a little bit) a bit ago.

But it's true: for the most part Marvel usually gives its heroes a small handful of villains of their own, but then largely has them pull for the massive pool of unaffiliated villains that fight everybody.

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#120114: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:32:46 PM

Iron Man's rogues are famously poorly regarded. It's a common joke that he has the lamest villain line-up of any major hero (which is debatable).

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#120115: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:45:20 PM

The Punisher, pretty much all of his enemies that he doesn’t share with everyone is just a bunch of unfun modern-day regular villains, like drug smugglers, human traffickers, rapists, and the like.

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#120116: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:48:06 PM

Thunderstrike's first nemesis was a guy who jacked cars but dressed really excessively to do so.

I don't think we can point at Iron Man and say 'YES THE WORST ROGUES GALLERY IT HAS A UNICORN'

Because: Whirlwind is Hank Pym's backup archnemesis and that's just sad. And he's slightly more interested in fruitlessly trying to score with the Wasp than he is in crime.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:48:16 AM

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#120117: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:50:59 PM

Note “major hero”. Thunderstrike does not count. Hank Pym makes up for how pathetic Whirlwind is by having Ultron as his arch enemy.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120118: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:51:34 PM

I'd argue Whirlwind is more accurately the Wasp's archnemesis than a backup for Hank Pym.

He's actually on my wishlist for a villain in Ant-Man 3.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 12th 2020 at 3:53:19 AM

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#120119: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:52:02 PM

You’re going to make thunderstrike cry

He was Thor once

[up] At that point it’s less an archnemesis and more a restraining order

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:52:23 AM

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#120120: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:56:15 PM

Comicwriter:Which explai how now spiderman rouge gallery is now tony stark rouge gallery setting for spiderman.

Edited by unknowing on Aug 12th 2020 at 6:57:03 AM

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#120121: Aug 12th 2020 at 3:57:59 PM

Doctor Strange has a pretty good rogues gallery, with Baron Mordo, Dormmamu, Nightmare, Shuma-Gorath and occasional Mephisto being all pretty good. The weakest of them is actually Mordo. Ditto for Thor's rogues.

Iron Man and Cap have like one really strong main foe (Mandarin, Red Skull) and then a bunch of characters who are jobbers and/or more often than not loaned to other rogues galleries.

Black Panther's rogues gallery never really settled into a pace but the ones that stuck out (before the Killmonger reinvention) were M'baku and Achebe.

Captain Marvel's rogue gallery is pretty abysmal, though.

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#120122: Aug 12th 2020 at 4:11:20 PM

She's gotten a new one recently that's decently good. Its a journalist named Ripley Ryan who blames Carol for the time that Carol punched a hole in her chest because Ripley was trying to kill either Carol or half of New York. Because she blamed Carol for getting her stuck in a dystopian hellscape created by Mahkizmo

She's powered by Reality Stone, which isn't an option in the MCU.

You have Mystique and Rogue who would present a good one two punch against Carol and are available now that the X-Men rights have been snagged.

You have Doctor Minerva. The only possible downside of that is that I think she exploded in the first movie.

There's Moonstone, who'd be a good choice since she has tricky powers and is smart enough to have Carol chasing her tail.

And of course, there's unfinished business with the Supreme Intelligence.

Some decent choices out there.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2020 at 7:12:18 AM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#120123: Aug 12th 2020 at 4:11:44 PM

Captain Marvel recently got a fairly good villain, who proved popular enough to get her own miniseries.

Dr. Minevra could work in a movie, though, with the right plot.

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Edited by ArthurEld on Aug 12th 2020 at 4:13:24 AM

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#120124: Aug 12th 2020 at 4:13:36 PM

Actually, Deadpool's first animated appearance was in the 90s X-Men cartoon.
By that point, did he already become the Merc with a mouth or was he still a Deathstroke ripoff?

In the 90s cartoon, it was a very brief morph by Morph as a way of guilt-tripping Wolverine. Unlike his Hulk Vs. appearance, the real Deadpool never actually appeared as a fully-realized character. I would imagine that he would have leaned towards the "Deathstrole knock-off" side though.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#120125: Aug 12th 2020 at 4:18:10 PM

Black Panther has the problem that few of his villains have much lasting impact. Most runs for BP create a ton of new villains for individual arcs that are forgotten fairly quickly, and at the end of the run only like one of them gets remembered by later writers.

A lot of Superhero characters have that problem, admittedly, but BP’s one of the most high profile characters who’s rogues gallery is like that.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 12th 2020 at 4:41:44 AM


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