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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119801: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:31:46 PM

The fact Doom is almost as smart as Reed doesn't make him less dangerous, the reverse.

He is still one of the smartest men on the planet & uses his intelligence for plots of world domination. There's a reason why the superhero community holds him so seriously.

Even Reed always considers him a problem that must be dealt with, Doom is not an Unknown Rival.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#119802: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:32:48 PM

[up][up][up][up] With Latveria's track record, it almost feels like there is nation-wide Stockholm Syndrome or something.

Edited by Blueace on Aug 6th 2020 at 12:33:28 PM

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119803: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:32:55 PM

[up][up] Doom has conquered the world at least twice, and conquered the multiverse once.

And in other stories he's defeated by Rubber band balls and stealing the intelligence of highschoolers to become smarter.

Yep.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Aug 6th 2020 at 9:32:45 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119804: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:33:52 PM

So Latveria is essentially like Apokolypse.

Its citizens are so beaten down by their tyrannical ruler that they can't even comprehend the idea of rebelling against him.

Man thats sad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119805: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:33:54 PM

Lets also remember he got owned by Squirrel Girl.

I mean, sure Doreen is a wrecking machine, but still.

One Strip! One Strip!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119806: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:34:08 PM

[up][up]It's more like Latveria has always had terrible leadership. Prince Zorba (the monarch Doom deposed) was also a horrible tyrant. The people of Latveria just don't have high expectations for their rulers.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2020 at 12:36:36 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#119807: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:35:22 PM

What's the deal with Squirrel Girl anyway? I know basically nothing about her but my comic reader friends always seem to gush about her.

Like, I get the impression she's a sort of Lethal Joke Character. But how does that work in a series?

Edited by GNinja on Aug 6th 2020 at 4:36:11 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119808: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:36:06 PM

She's a gag character (sometimes) who inexplicably wins every fight she gets into regardless of who she fights. And she does it with the power to control squirrels.

She's only played somewhat seriously in her own comics, and even then it's not that serious.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2020 at 12:36:23 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119809: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:36:35 PM

Her deal is that even though her powers are just communicating with squirrels, she always kicks the super strong bad guys' asses offscreen.

The legend has returned.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119810: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:37:42 PM

Tellingly, the one opponent she has trouble with is a squirrel: namely, Ratatoskr, the squirrel that occupies the branches of Yggdrasil.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119811: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:38:15 PM

That is genius.

She's also the nanny for Luke & Jessica's kid.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 6th 2020 at 9:39:39 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119812: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:39:12 PM

Deadpool was powerful enough to be defeated by Squirrel Girl.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119813: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:39:38 PM

Make him...somewhat humble too. Yeah, he's smart, he knows he's smart, and maybe he can be Innocently Insensitive about it, but he never actively seeks to lord it over everyone, and doesn't think he's got anything to prove.

That is Reed's characterization most of the time. Unless the writer is out to make him an ass, Reed's generally portrayed as pretty chill for a supergenius. The problem is that quite a few writers make him an ass because said writers apparently can't comprehend the idea of a genius that isn't an Insufferable Genius. Probably due to some Psychological Projection on their part.

Edited by M84 on Aug 7th 2020 at 12:40:42 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119814: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:40:31 PM

In her own book, she won all the fights through squirrels, computer science, empathy, and friendship.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119815: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:41:04 PM

Yeah, she ultimately resolved the Ratatoskr problem by befriending Ratatoskr.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119816: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:42:35 PM

Once again the dream is to have Luke & Jess married with a kid, Uncle Danny working with Daddy Cage, Doreen taking care of the kid when her parents are working, & for the future version of the kid showing up as Captain America. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119817: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:47:12 PM

I guess I would clarify that she was a gag character for a span of a couple years when Great Lakes Avengers took her beating Doom and then turned it into a recurring gag where she could beat anyone but usually off-screen.

Her time as Luke and Jessica's nanny wasn't really that gag. She was an obscure character that had become moderately popular because of memes and was now a semi-recurring.

And her in her own book its not really a gag. She wins the fights because she's the protagonist and protagonists win eventually. Its her own book so she can struggle and have trouble and triumph by the end of the story. But because its Squirrel Girl and her methods means she doesn't have to always beat someone up, she does deal with stuff outside of what could be considered her weight class.

She gets to fight a T. Rex Ultron!

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 6th 2020 at 12:48:21 PM

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119818: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:49:50 PM

Now I want to hear James Spader as a dinosaur version of Ultron.

The legend has returned.
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#119819: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:50:32 PM

God, James Spader as Ultron was great.

Kaze ni Nare!
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119820: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:00:02 PM

[up] If only the movie was better.

Or Ultron was more consistent. But i accept that because he was hooked up to the internet. That stuff does things to you.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#119821: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:05:08 PM

[up] I thought him being inconsistant was kinda the idea. He was a pretentious manchild who thought he understood the world just because he went to philosophy 101.

Edited by GNinja on Aug 6th 2020 at 5:07:25 PM

Kaze ni Nare!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#119822: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:11:04 PM

Now I want to hear James Spader as a dinosaur version of Ultron.

"You don't even know my real name. I'm the f***ing Lizard King."

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 6th 2020 at 10:11:32 AM

Altris from the Vortex Since: Aug, 2019 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
#119823: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:13:48 PM

The family and I are going to watch Ant-Man, Ant-Man and the Wasp, and then Avengers: Infinity War and Avengers: Endgame. They pretty much rely on me to explain stuff because they don't want to sit through the other 18 movies (and neither do I, honestly), so what should I do to prepare? Read all the recap pages and take notes?

So, let's hang an anchor from the sun... also my Tumblr
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119824: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:14:37 PM

I'm sure theres a video that does a comprehensive recap on the entire MCU up to Infinity War.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119825: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:51:39 PM

So how much you guys wanna bet that MCU Kang the Conqueror will be a descendant of Tony Stark?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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