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Can’t really outdo spectacular’s goblin
Steve Blum! Rhyme schemes!
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Should we include Morbius in that list since he's getting his own movie, too? Or is he more associated with Blade at this point?
Would Marvel Studios even let Blade vs. Morbius be a thing in the future? Feels like something Sony would want pretty badly.
TBH, I think I might prefer to see Norman first show up against the Avengers in a (loose) adaptation of Dark Reign.
Have him still be Spidey centric by having Spider-Man be the one to discover something is off about him and try to stop him, while part of the plot involves him trying stop Spider-Man before he can discover what he's really up to and inform the others. But then Spidey does (maybe at personal cost), and it becomes him vs everyone, with Spidey getting the final blow on him but it really being a full Avengers experience.
It'd be a big departure from his comics role as archenemy first and then universe-wide threat, but it'd free up the next movie to not just be another Goblin story.
I mean, I guess I'm of two minds about it, because I really, really want to see Marvel actually do a comics accurate version Goblin, and I respect - and have even been the one to support in the past - the "they're the archenemy, they have to show up at least once" mindset, but we've just had so much Goblin thus far and he comes with such necessary plot and baggage that it runs together.
Why on Earth would they not do Blade vs Morbius?
Me, I think the first two MCU Fantastic Four movies should be set in the 60s.
For the first one, the Four test a prototype rocket of Reed's design, get zapped by radiation, and develop superpowers.
Maybe the radiation is from a Kree ship exiting warp space, come to track down Skrulls hiding on Earth (tie-in to the events of Captain Marvel). Upon learning that human society has been infiltrated by shape-shifting alien lizard people, Ben or Johnny should quip "And to think Senator McCarthy was worried about communists." The Four help the Skrulls escape the Kree, with the final boss being Super-Skrull, who in this movie is a brainwashed Kree minion. The Four defeat him because they're a family but Super-Skrull fights alone. This might even spur the formation of SHIELD.
In the post-credits scene, Doctor Doom watches a news report and crushes a goblet in his hands, growling "Richards...."
The second movie takes place a couple of years later, when the Four are celebrities. Doom realises that America has alien technology and steals some in order to make, like, a death ray or something. The Four defeat Doom, but at the last, they are cast into some sort of timeless void.
In the mid-credits scene, they are pulled out of the void into the modern day by the current Avengers roster... and Doom is among the Avengers. The Four want to fight him but the other Avengers stop them, explaining that they need to work together. Doom gestures toward a viewscreen showing something approaching Earth which comics fans will recognise. Galactus is coming.
This leads into the next Avengers movie, featuring the Fantastic Four and the Guardians of the Galaxy, which is about Galactus trying to eat Earth.
After that, the Four can have a movie or two in the modern day, and possibly also solo movies.
Ukrainian Red CrossI agree - or if not the 80's, then at least in the past. Have the FF have been lost in space decades ago, thought, dead, but instead it turns out they've been having Lost In Space style adventures throughout the cosmos and multiverse, trying to get home.
And the big conflict comes when they do get home, and bring something with them.
I understand the concept of having the Fantastic Four be 60s era astronauts, since it would at least vary up the origin a bit. But I'm curious about how that would effect Doom in the MCU. If you want to keep the part of his backstory about him and Reed being college rivals, then Doom has to go with them to Negative Zone or wherever they get trapped. Otherwise, he'd have to be in his 80s by the time the Four return to the present day.
I guess you could say "Well, he used magic or science to make himself youthful", but that just raises the question of why he can't use to restore his face or something.
I like the idea, but I feel this would lead to another film where Doom is a part of the origin story. I dunno, maybe there are other ways around it that I'm not thinking of.
Plus, how could the Thing be around in the 60's and not be as well known as Captain America? It'd be impossible.
One Strip! One Strip!My pitch for the F4 movie was that they went to space during the space race of the 1960's, in direct competition with the Soviet program of the Red Ghost
(AND HIS SUPER-APES!) and have been stuck in some kind of space anomaly ever since, both teams presumed lost during that time. So the movie would be them having a series of wild adventures in the unknown edges of space looking to return home while competing with Red Ghost (AND HIS SUPER-APES!) before in the end they set their differences aside so both can return home, and surprise, when they return home its current year for space-time-shenanigans.
Second movie they would explore the Hollow Earth and the Mole-Man's underground kingdom.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Not if they were all lost in space.
Yeah,
this.
Or simply kept secret. Ant-Man was around in the 70's in the MCU and nobody knew about him.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 27th 2020 at 10:52:19 AM
Antman is a lot easier to hide, for obvious reasons.
You'd be hard pressed to not have multiple witnesses to Ben Grimm and his daily clobbering hours.
One Strip! One Strip!The Fantastic Four has an actual invisibility master in their team, I'd like to note.
In either case, I much prefer them Lost in Space. Even better if their flight took place during November, 1961 (the date of the first issue of F4).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."....Damn. Forgot about Sue and how stupid powerful she is. They could pretty easily be a stealth team. Sure, You can see the results of what they do (Ben and Johnny will leave a mess behind them) but with Sue's force fields, you wouldn't see them doing it.
One Strip! One Strip!Well all for the four are dangerous.
Johnny has the most destructive potential, Sue is straight up the most powerful (in that her abilities can be used in any variety of ways, including killing you in ways that are entirely impossible to defend against), Reed can build anything, anything, anything under the sun to wreck your shit...
...Ben's probably the most straight forward, and might be the actual weakest. Sure, he's strong and tough, but there are a lot of dudes who're stronger and tougher. That being said, when Ben Grimm is on the scene it's clobbering time all the damn time, and he knows how to put that strength to good use as well.
That's why they're such a great team. They cover each other quite well.
One Strip! One Strip!I don't like the "Fantastic Four are from the past" idea that everyone seems so fond of, for a few different reasons.
1) If you set their debut movie entirely in the past, then you need to keep them a secret from the public, which is not only difficult for at least one of them to do, but also anathema to their whole vibe and style, where they're very public about who they are and what they do.
2) Meanwhile, if their debut movie has them being transported away from 1960's Earth (either immediately to the present day, or on some lost in space adventure) then I think you'd be throwing too much at us too fast. An FF movie would need to develop an ensemble cast of characters and show them adapting to how they've been physically transformed into superhumans (each in a different way). If that happens simultaneously with making them Fish out of Water, you're likely to wind up with a movie that spends so much time on the introduction and adjusting to new circumstances phase, their won't be much time left for them to actually do stuff as the Fantastic Four.
3) Given the present state of the MCU, with Earth having suffered several alien invasions, and Nick Fury now expanding into some space based agency, there's ample setup for recreating the Space Race motivations that drove the Fantastic Four in their debut issues.
4) Honestly? Treating scientific exploration, done with a spirit of optimism and sense of wonder, as something you can only get from the now-distant past? That's a very dispiriting message.
Could pull a Captain America and have the first movie take place entirely or near entirely in the past.
We already had stories set in the past for both Captains before bringing them to the present. I'm not sure it would be very original to do that with the FF.
Of course they could also pull a Spiderman and drop them into the story with little explanation, but I'd still like an origin story for them.
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So the villains that should not be used in future Spider-Man movies based on what we said are: Green Goblin (both Norman and Harry), Dr. Octopus, Sandman, Venom (since he's in his own franchise anyway), Lizard, Electro, and Rhino.
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