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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#119551: Jul 26th 2020 at 4:53:46 PM

[up]What? As far as I know he is of Cuban descent.

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Edited by Akirakan on Jul 26th 2020 at 6:53:54 AM

Voltron64 Since: Jul, 2016
#119552: Jul 26th 2020 at 5:03:05 PM

[up] My mistake, I thought I read something somewhere that said that.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119553: Jul 26th 2020 at 5:48:19 PM

There are Filipinos who do work at Marvel I read. Bishop was even supposed to be of Filipino descent.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119554: Jul 26th 2020 at 6:41:52 PM

Welp, Loeb can go fuck himself. For obvious reasons, I'm not exactly thrilled about a media creator saying stuff like "nobody cares about Chinese people and Asian people."

Guess I'm never re-reading The Long Halloween ever again.

Edited by M84 on Jul 26th 2020 at 9:42:14 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119555: Jul 26th 2020 at 6:44:47 PM

I imagine that's gonna happen quite a bit more often in the next few years, as more and more pedestals break and a lot more creators reveal their darker sides and actions.

One Strip! One Strip!
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#119556: Jul 26th 2020 at 6:46:10 PM

Fortunately, I usually avoid putting people on pedestals in the first place. In Loeb's case, I only really liked The Long Halloween.

Disgusted, but not surprised
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119557: Jul 26th 2020 at 7:03:09 PM

Well hopefully Nobu & Gao’s actors can come back in future products with better treated roles.

I hope Loeb’s proud of Defenders & their shitty Alexandra antagonist.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119558: Jul 26th 2020 at 7:18:27 PM

Oh my god! That's why Alexandra!

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#119559: Jul 26th 2020 at 7:20:51 PM

What a waste of Sigorney Weaver.

One Strip! One Strip!
Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#119560: Jul 26th 2020 at 7:25:43 PM

That's about as bad as how Sylvester Stallone was wasted on a two-scene cameo.

The legend has returned.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#119561: Jul 26th 2020 at 8:19:23 PM

At least Stallone is playing an actually comic-based character in Starhawk.

Meanwhile Weaver gets shafted by playing a completely made-up character all because in hingsisght Loeb wanted a white person to be the true leader of the Hand.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119562: Jul 26th 2020 at 8:40:39 PM

Not to mention they may one day want to make a movie featuring Stallone's Ravagers crew - IE the original lineup of the Guardians of the Galaxy - since they're all unique named characters with history. The character Stallone played has some potential - not a whole lot, but it's definitely not unlikely we'll see him again in Guardians 3 and maybe beyond.

Sigourney's best bet is to be recast as a less throwaway character, with everyone quietly pretending she hasn't been in the MCU already.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#119563: Jul 26th 2020 at 8:45:23 PM

Casting a celebrity is way to make a minor but important character memorable.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#119564: Jul 26th 2020 at 8:48:14 PM

It's maybe a bit too much Actor Allusion, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sigourney as Abigail Brand. Or if not Sigourney, then Daisy Ridley.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 26th 2020 at 8:48:23 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#119565: Jul 26th 2020 at 11:09:01 PM

If you want an Actor Allusion, you'd cast her as one of the Brood.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119566: Jul 26th 2020 at 11:54:52 PM

[up][up][up] Disney hired Max Von Syndow and Brianna of Tarth for Star Wars for that very reason.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119567: Jul 27th 2020 at 3:20:31 AM

A video by Youtube host Super Frame where he proposes his idea for an MCU Fantastic Four movie. The team are an exploration crew sent into space by SWORD. Reed and Ben remain scientist and pilot, Sue is in charge of statistics and Johnny is their security officer. The villain is Annihilus, and the cosmic storm that empowers the Four is a result of him trying to open up a tear in space to our dimension.

It's from 2018 and is 12 minutes long.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 27th 2020 at 3:20:44 AM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#119568: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:35:48 AM

Eh, the previous film tried altering their origins already.

I don't see why they'd need sword.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#119569: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:40:53 AM

This proposed origin change seems to be Truer to the Text just altered to fit better into the MCU.

Edited by windleopard on Jul 27th 2020 at 5:42:10 AM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#119570: Jul 27th 2020 at 5:43:45 AM

Well, they have been introducing SWORD at the end of Far from Home, so at least this would tie nicely with the existing universe.

Regarding Spiderman's foes, I rather like the fact that the MCU movies have so far involved villains who had not appeared in a previous movie adaptation. Spiderman has enough interesting foes to allow keeping the trend, no matter how much I'd like to see another Doc Ock. And there remains probably a lot of people Iron Man has pissed off.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#119571: Jul 27th 2020 at 6:12:26 AM

[up] I just hope if they have another Spidey villain then they should have nothing to do with Stark.

Now watch as they retcon Mac Gargan as Tony Stark's former gardener and he was pissed when Tony's pet Scorpion bit him.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#119572: Jul 27th 2020 at 6:21:57 AM

[up] Wasn't Mac Gargan injured during the fight on the ferry with the FBI, who were there because because Stark called them?

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#119573: Jul 27th 2020 at 6:28:53 AM

It's maybe a bit too much Actor Allusion, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sigourney as Abigail Brand. Or if not Sigourney, then Daisy Ridley.

Drat. Now I actually want to see that happen. Either of them, really.

Hey, I think the pandemic's made me lose track of time, but did we ever establish if SHIELD was still a thing anymore? Yeah, Agents of SHIELD is still on, but it's really more about Coulson and Friends, right?

I'm still of the mindset that SWORD will be interpreted as a natural evolution of SHIELD, which can fit the theme of Fury wanting Earth (and any other planets who want to be friends with Earth) to be more proactive in case the next Thanos tries to eff everyone over.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#119574: Jul 27th 2020 at 6:35:14 AM

[up][up][up] No, no. The scientist that give Scorpio his suit/powers was a Stark ex-worker that is angry at Tony because reasons, and now wants to kill his protegee as revenge.

And as for Kraven, Stone was a huge fan of his show and a big sponsor through Stark Company, and with the change of managmeent after Tony change of heart, that sponsor money stopped, angering Kraven and now hunting Spidey as revenge.

As for the F4, they should go all crazy and go with the Mole Man as the starter villain, bonus point if you involve Tony as his motivation tongue

Make it that he wanted to make excursions into the subterranean world and Tony laughed at how stupid the idea it was, and kicked his favorite mole pet for shit and giggles, and now the Stak company is doing the first space excursion with the F4 and is sabotaged by the Mole Man as revenge. They get their powers and blah blah.

And just for fun, introduce Magneto as a side villain to show Richards "genius" by creating the wood pistol tongue

Edited by eligram on Jul 27th 2020 at 9:40:00 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#119575: Jul 27th 2020 at 6:37:17 AM

> And just for fun, 8ntroduce Magneto as a side villain to show Richards "genius" by creating the wood pistol

never gets old

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